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Originally Posted by FirstClass
(Post 2079761)
Maybe in the past, but not today. Pilot's need to take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves today. It's a pilots market, its being wasted. The ideal situation is the contract airlines simply become to expensive to operate and mainline brings all the flying back in house. One can only hope that their airline goes out of business.
If RJ flying becomes too expensive, how will become cheaper at mainline? It won't. GF |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 2079820)
If RJ flying becomes too expensive, how will become cheaper at mainline? It won't. GF |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 2079820)
If RJ flying becomes too expensive, how will become cheaper at mainline? It won't.
GF Delta already has rates in its current contract for CRJ900s, and they're a lot more than what Endeavor guys currently get, even with the retention bonuses. |
It seems to me the problem is not with the RLA but rather with mediators not recognizing an impasse. I was under the impression that if two parties did not agree after mediation that the mediator was supposed to release both sides to self help. In the last 15 years most airlines have worked under one expired contract or another for several years. To me it seems that the reason airlines have historically been able to get better contracts was because the mediators back then understood an impasse and would release both sides rather that let groups work for years under an expired CBA. I could be wrong, I have not been in aviation that long, so I do not know if that is actually the case
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I think you're right about mediators, and fixing what they've become would be another big win.
Originally Posted by 272922
(Post 2079791)
And again, slow downs, sick outs, everyone writing up everything in outstations, everyone all of a sudden SAPing to 65, etc, beyond the established status quo can be construed as an illegal job action and will be met with action in Federal Court. Your union leaders would bear the brunt of it, and also has the responsibility of stopping it.
But instead, you could just pull your head out of your posterior and realize that the current market forces are most likely going to get you want, and you can avoid the whole sending your MEC to Federal Court thing. But that wouldn't be as cool, I know. |
Originally Posted by Day4mx
(Post 2078810)
When teachers, firemen, police, public transportation, garbagemen, EMTs, etc etc can all strike as self help, it's foolish to think a pilot group striking would ruin this country.
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Oh, and we would have a chance at ditching the RLA if someone like Bernie Sanders was elected. Otherwise, everyone else protects big business, not the working class.
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
(Post 2079881)
I hear what you're saying, but even if there was a sudden and dramatic uptick in outstation write-ups, what's the company going to claim, that pilots shouldn't be writing up mx issues? Don't we have a legal obligation to do so? Maybe the planes are just getting older and the mechanics aren't maintaining them well. If each individual write-up is individually defendable, I don't think management would have a leg to stand on.
Originally Posted by Chupacabras
(Post 2079885)
Exactly, I doubt our unions would abuse their ability to strike. After all, going on strike is very bad for a company, and that could lead to bankruptcies and generally is not good for business. The risk of a strike to management would definitely bring them to the table unlike now.
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 2079860)
It seems to me the problem is not with the RLA but rather with mediators not recognizing an impasse. I was under the impression that if two parties did not agree after mediation that the mediator was supposed to release both sides to self help. In the last 15 years most airlines have worked under one expired contract or another for several years. To me it seems that the reason airlines have historically been able to get better contracts was because the mediators back then understood an impasse and would release both sides rather that let groups work for years under an expired CBA. I could be wrong, I have not been in aviation that long, so I do not know if that is actually the case
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 2079860)
It seems to me the problem is not with the RLA but rather with mediators not recognizing an impasse.
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