How are we going to get rid of the RLA?
03-01-2016 | 03:59 PM
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Delta already has rates in its current contract for CRJ900s, and they're a lot more than what Endeavor guys currently get, even with the retention bonuses.
03-01-2016 | 04:10 PM
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It seems to me the problem is not with the RLA but rather with mediators not recognizing an impasse. I was under the impression that if two parties did not agree after mediation that the mediator was supposed to release both sides to self help. In the last 15 years most airlines have worked under one expired contract or another for several years. To me it seems that the reason airlines have historically been able to get better contracts was because the mediators back then understood an impasse and would release both sides rather that let groups work for years under an expired CBA. I could be wrong, I have not been in aviation that long, so I do not know if that is actually the case
03-01-2016 | 04:21 PM
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I think you're right about mediators, and fixing what they've become would be another big win.
I hear what you're saying, but even if there was a sudden and dramatic uptick in outstation write-ups, what's the company going to claim, that pilots shouldn't be writing up mx issues? Don't we have a legal obligation to do so? Maybe the planes are just getting older and the mechanics aren't maintaining them well. If each individual write-up is individually defendable, I don't think management would have a leg to stand on.
And again, slow downs, sick outs, everyone writing up everything in outstations, everyone all of a sudden SAPing to 65, etc, beyond the established status quo can be construed as an illegal job action and will be met with action in Federal Court. Your union leaders would bear the brunt of it, and also has the responsibility of stopping it.
But instead, you could just pull your head out of your posterior and realize that the current market forces are most likely going to get you want, and you can avoid the whole sending your MEC to Federal Court thing.
But that wouldn't be as cool, I know.
But instead, you could just pull your head out of your posterior and realize that the current market forces are most likely going to get you want, and you can avoid the whole sending your MEC to Federal Court thing.
But that wouldn't be as cool, I know.
03-01-2016 | 04:24 PM
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Exactly, I doubt our unions would abuse their ability to strike. After all, going on strike is very bad for a company, and that could lead to bankruptcies and generally is not good for business. The risk of a strike to management would definitely bring them to the table unlike now.
03-01-2016 | 04:33 PM
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I hear what you're saying, but even if there was a sudden and dramatic uptick in outstation write-ups, what's the company going to claim, that pilots shouldn't be writing up mx issues? Don't we have a legal obligation to do so? Maybe the planes are just getting older and the mechanics aren't maintaining them well. If each individual write-up is individually defendable, I don't think management would have a leg to stand on.
Exactly, I doubt our unions would abuse their ability to strike. After all, going on strike is very bad for a company, and that could lead to bankruptcies and generally is not good for business. The risk of a strike to management would definitely bring them to the table unlike now.
03-02-2016 | 07:59 AM
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It seems to me the problem is not with the RLA but rather with mediators not recognizing an impasse. I was under the impression that if two parties did not agree after mediation that the mediator was supposed to release both sides to self help. In the last 15 years most airlines have worked under one expired contract or another for several years. To me it seems that the reason airlines have historically been able to get better contracts was because the mediators back then understood an impasse and would release both sides rather that let groups work for years under an expired CBA. I could be wrong, I have not been in aviation that long, so I do not know if that is actually the case
03-02-2016 | 09:40 AM
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I'm not at all concerned with what I cannot control. But I am concerned with what I and fellow pilots can directly control. We can apply pressure outside of the union and RLA.
03-02-2016 | 09:42 AM
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I think you're right about mediators, and fixing what they've become would be another big win.
I hear what you're saying, but even if there was a sudden and dramatic uptick in outstation write-ups, what's the company going to claim, that pilots shouldn't be writing up mx issues? Don't we have a legal obligation to do so? Maybe the planes are just getting older and the mechanics aren't maintaining them well. If each individual write-up is individually defendable, I don't think management would have a leg to stand on.
I hear what you're saying, but even if there was a sudden and dramatic uptick in outstation write-ups, what's the company going to claim, that pilots shouldn't be writing up mx issues? Don't we have a legal obligation to do so? Maybe the planes are just getting older and the mechanics aren't maintaining them well. If each individual write-up is individually defendable, I don't think management would have a leg to stand on.
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