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Old 08-11-2013, 11:18 AM
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So I just had a pleasant phone call from my nephew who is at RAH. He gave me the rundown their latest negotiation issues and it seems that pilot group may now face yet another year of stagnation in the potential of getting "fiscally parked" by the NMB.

I started thinking or a bit of a crazy rant...

Isn't it time that a pilot group say the hell with the RLA and just walk consequences be dammed? I almost feel like until a pilot group RAH or otherwise does this the industry will continue the race to the bottom with no end in sight. The RLA is antiquated and the NMB is owned by Airline execs. Southing's gotta give.

So if they walked, they'd get sued right? Or the President could even order them back to work? They can't get arrested for refusing. And it's RAH that would sue the IBT but what if as a condition of returning to work the IBT simply said if you sue we won't come back? It seems to me the IBT would have BB over a barrel.

This is more of a thought experiment I suppose but those guys at RAH seem just about fed up enough to take drastic steps. Maybe it's about time a PG stand up to it al land collectively said.."no more."

Man....I'd love to see it happen. You guys all deserve more.
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:24 AM
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So I just had a pleasant phone call from my nephew who is at RAH. He gave me the rundown their latest negotiation issues and it seems that pilot group may now face yet another year of stagnation in the potential of getting "fiscally parked" by the NMB.

I started thinking or a bit of a crazy rant...

Isn't it time that a pilot group say the hell with the RLA and just walk consequences be dammed? I almost feel like until a pilot group RAH or otherwise does this the industry will continue the race to the bottom with no end in sight. The RLA is antiquated and the NMB is owned by Airline execs. Southing's gotta give.

So if they walked, they'd get sued right? Or the President could even order them back to work? They can't get arrested for refusing. And it's RAH that would sue the IBT but what if as a condition of returning to work the IBT simply said if you sue we won't come back? It seems to me the IBT would have BB over a barrel.

This is more of a thought experiment I suppose but those guys at RAH seem just about fed up enough to take drastic steps. Maybe it's about time a PG stand up to it al land collectively said.."no more."

Man....I'd love to see it happen. You guys all deserve more.
I agree but pilots are a bunch of "what if" type of pansies. The last walkout in the regional world was Comair. What mgt is doing to RAH pilots is disgraceful. The company claims it cannot pay its a labor a better rate because they don't have the money, yet RAH announced a 20+ million dollar profit this past quarter...
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There is one enormous difference between Comair and RAH: Comair was a wholly owned. I think RAH has that going for them if they balled up enough to walk. And Comair set a precedent...they did it...I think if RAH even threatened it they get a contact..but I'm just ranting still I suppose. I just want the best for my nephew and that PG.
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Food for thought, it will cost American Airlines eight billion dollars for the twelve year feed for american by republic.
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No worries man. Now that we finally got a pro-labor president in office I'm sure hell help out.
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Isn't it time that a pilot group say the hell with the RLA and just walk consequences be dammed?

Ask the folks at PATCO how that worked out
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/03/op...ions.html?_r=0
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Isn't it time that a pilot group say the hell with the RLA and just walk consequences be dammed?

Ask the folks at PATCO how that worked out
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/03/op...ions.html?_r=0
That was a different time and PATCO striking was also a direct threat to the overall well-being of th entire nation. RAH walking out won't shut down air travel, it'll just **** off airline passengers for a little bit with delays and cancellations.

Though I do see your point of bringing up the PATCO strike the very fact that you did highlights an even greater need for the RLA to be busted by defiant labor.
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Organize a sick-out and they'll take notice. Where's the issue with that?
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The union should support a decertification vote followed by an immediate walkout. RLA doesnt apply without a union.
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The union should support a decertification vote followed by an immediate walkout. RLA doesnt apply without a union.
Why rely on a union when you can take matters into your own hands. Union can't organize a walk out. Companies are at the mercy of the pilots organizing. In the age of Facebook and other social media like this it shouldn't be too hard. Just someone anonymously coming on here and saying sick out every other Tuesday until we get a better contract.

What am I missing? Why wouldn't that work? Why hasn't it been done?
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