The Debacle of the RLA and a CBA
08-11-2013, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NoLightOff
Why rely on a union when you can take matters into your own hands. Union can't organize a walk out. Companies are at the mercy of the pilots organizing. In the age of Facebook and other social media like this it shouldn't be too hard. Just someone anonymously coming on here and saying sick out every other Tuesday until we get a better contract.
What am I missing? Why wouldn't that work? Why hasn't it been done?
What am I missing? Why wouldn't that work? Why hasn't it been done?
08-11-2013, 04:03 PM
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I'm not labor attorney but I do know that such an event would be an illegal job action. So if RAH pilots did this while the IBT still practiced a policy of RLA compliance then the pilot group would be liable in a law suit by management. A sick out would be annoyance but in my opinion nothing short of a total walk-out would give them any leverage. Sick-outs will just cause a political and legal fustercluck for that PG. It would make a point but it won't hamstring management potently enough to leverage suit protection like a walk out would. The PG has to be willing to risk a permanent RAH shutdown and job loss for any stand up action that defys the RLA.
08-11-2013, 04:36 PM
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The only reason that Spirit was able to strike was because they are not providing as much lift as any of the legacies or maybe even some majors and regionals (not sure of the numbers). The strike would've never happened if it was at one of the above.
08-11-2013, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ross9238
The only reason that Spirit was able to strike was because they are not providing as much lift as any of the legacies or maybe even some majors and regionals (not sure of the numbers). The strike would've never happened if it was at one of the above.
And like the other poster said, a wildcat strike would cause lawsuits against the union. That's why there has to be a vote to decertify the union, then an immediate walkout. No lawsuit, nobody can do anything about it. But it would take some serious cajones by the union leadership at RAH to publicly get this ball rolling.
08-11-2013, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NoLightOff
Why rely on a union when you can take matters into your own hands. Union can't organize a walk out. Companies are at the mercy of the pilots organizing. In the age of Facebook and other social media like this it shouldn't be too hard. Just someone anonymously coming on here and saying sick out every other Tuesday until we get a better contract.
What am I missing? Why wouldn't that work? Why hasn't it been done?
What am I missing? Why wouldn't that work? Why hasn't it been done?
As to the PATCO reference, I highly doubt there'd be any presidential firings taking place...if you worked for the federal government, you'd be out of a job...but eh, you're a private citizen, working for a private company...if you choose to stop showing up to work, no one can force you to do so. Just gotta pray that your peeps have balls and can stick to the strike...if folks started going back to work, it shows division in the workforce, and you'll just be separated and conquered by the company.
08-11-2013, 05:44 PM
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You don't need to resort to illegal methods. Just fly the contract. Nothing more nothing less. If you're sick call in sick. If your fatigued call in fatigued. Don't ask for directs. If the plane is broken wrte it up. Do this job like it should be done and you can legally send a real strong message when the system screaches to a halt.
08-11-2013, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin
You don't need to resort to illegal methods. Just fly the contract. Nothing more nothing less. If you're sick call in sick. If your fatigued call in fatigued. Don't ask for directs. If the plane is broken wrte it up. Do this job like it should be done and you can legally send a real strong message when the system screaches to a halt.
Fly the contract? That's what sucks and needs to be changed. Not to mention, the company breaks the contract and all you can do is grieve it. What a joke grievances are. All the other stuff you mentioned has no effect unless it's done in masses. You want to get the company's attention, hit them where it hurts. Cost them money and they will take notice.
08-11-2013, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin
You don't need to resort to illegal methods. Just fly the contract. Nothing more nothing less. If you're sick call in sick. If your fatigued call in fatigued. Don't ask for directs. If the plane is broken wrte it up. Do this job like it should be done and you can legally send a real strong message when the system screaches to a halt.
There is only one answer..an illegal strike consequences be damned. But thats easy for me to say when its not my income at stake...I'd like to think I'd support such a thing if I were there...hard to say. Those guys are in a tough spot.
08-11-2013, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Exactly. The big regionals like RAH have created environments where they would never be released from the NMB. It would be catastrophic for legacy airlines to lose feed overnight like that.
And like the other poster said, a wildcat strike would cause lawsuits against the union. That's why there has to be a vote to decertify the union, then an immediate walkout. No lawsuit, nobody can do anything about it. But it would take some serious cajones by the union leadership at RAH to publicly get this ball rolling.
And like the other poster said, a wildcat strike would cause lawsuits against the union. That's why there has to be a vote to decertify the union, then an immediate walkout. No lawsuit, nobody can do anything about it. But it would take some serious cajones by the union leadership at RAH to publicly get this ball rolling.
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