Am I missing something?
03-07-2016 | 11:37 AM
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I wouldn't base your decision on the possibility of a Flow. Flows have historically not worked out as advertised or originally designed.
Do you currently live or are you willing to move to any bases of any currently desirable Regionals (Endeavor, Envoy, Compass, etc.)?
I'd put a great deal of weight/emphasis on the ability to avoid commuting and maximizing QOL.
Do you currently live or are you willing to move to any bases of any currently desirable Regionals (Endeavor, Envoy, Compass, etc.)?
I'd put a great deal of weight/emphasis on the ability to avoid commuting and maximizing QOL.
03-07-2016 | 11:38 AM
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That won't last forever.
It's been a while since I did the research and associated math but IIRC
I believe the flow drops from 50% with X hold backs to 35% with X hold backs then it becomes the lesser of X and 25%
I believe PSA and PDT each get the lesser of X and 25%, which is the same verbiage envoy new hires are under.
PSA's flow is 20 years for a new hire based on math so they're out. That leaves PDT vs Envoy. Based on the size of the pilot group and the Less of X and 25% flow with y opt-outs PDT should flow much faster.
It's been a while since I did the research and associated math but IIRC
I believe the flow drops from 50% with X hold backs to 35% with X hold backs then it becomes the lesser of X and 25%
I believe PSA and PDT each get the lesser of X and 25%, which is the same verbiage envoy new hires are under.
PSA's flow is 20 years for a new hire based on math so they're out. That leaves PDT vs Envoy. Based on the size of the pilot group and the Less of X and 25% flow with y opt-outs PDT should flow much faster.
Interesting... Do you have actual numbers for this?
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03-07-2016 | 11:40 AM
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I wouldn't base your decision on the possibility of a Flow. Flows have historically not worked out as advertised or originally designed.
Do you currently live or are you willing to move to any bases of any currently desirable Regionals (Endeavor, Envoy, Compass, etc.)?
I'd put a great deal of weight/emphasis on the ability to avoid commuting and maximizing QOL.
Do you currently live or are you willing to move to any bases of any currently desirable Regionals (Endeavor, Envoy, Compass, etc.)?
I'd put a great deal of weight/emphasis on the ability to avoid commuting and maximizing QOL.
I plan on living wherever I get based. Where I live right now would make commuting a nightmare.
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03-07-2016 | 11:44 AM
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You'll have to ask each of the pilot groups what their numbers are today.
I believe PDTs baseline flow is 3/month (and just reached 4) and PSA is 4/month.
I'm sure someone from each can give the verbiage of the LOAs again to show where they max out at.
03-07-2016 | 12:02 PM
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Envoy flow is 824 is 50% or metered down to 30 a month. At the end of year ENY has to be 50%.
Protected pilots are 50%, metered to 25 a month. Once the 40th 175 arrives into property, which is about the same time the last of the 824 leaves to aa. At the end of the year 50% has to be envoy pilots.
I would say the last of that group might be around 1600/1700 seniority. Then it goes down to 35%, metered I believe to 15.
03-07-2016 | 12:19 PM
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PDT and PSA flow is not percentage.
Envoy flow is 824 is 50% or metered down to 30 a month. At the end of year ENY has to be 50%.
Protected pilots are 50%, metered to 25 a month. Once the 40th 175 arrives into property, which is about the same time the last of the 824 leaves to aa. At the end of the year 50% has to be envoy pilots.
I would say the last of that group might be around 1600/1700 seniority. Then it goes down to 35%, metered I believe to 15.
Envoy flow is 824 is 50% or metered down to 30 a month. At the end of year ENY has to be 50%.
Protected pilots are 50%, metered to 25 a month. Once the 40th 175 arrives into property, which is about the same time the last of the 824 leaves to aa. At the end of the year 50% has to be envoy pilots.
I would say the last of that group might be around 1600/1700 seniority. Then it goes down to 35%, metered I believe to 15.
03-07-2016 | 12:23 PM
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There was a vacancy posted for 87 CA vacancies. However, current CA can bid from one equipment to another, I expect some senior pilots whom will retire from ENY to bid DCE to DCL. If there are no backfills then we could see the vacancy carry a minimum of 61 net upgrades. If there are backfill then we could see 87 new upgrades. Please don't plan on 87 upgrades and later be disappointed.
03-07-2016 | 01:03 PM
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You'll have to ask each of the pilot groups what their numbers are today.
I believe PDTs baseline flow is 3/month (and just reached 4) and PSA is 4/month.
I'm sure someone from each can give the verbiage of the LOAs again to show where they max out at.
You'll have to ask each of the pilot groups what their numbers are today.
I believe PDTs baseline flow is 3/month (and just reached 4) and PSA is 4/month.
I'm sure someone from each can give the verbiage of the LOAs again to show where they max out at.
03-07-2016 | 01:06 PM
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There was a vacancy posted for 87 CA vacancies. However, current CA can bid from one equipment to another, I expect some senior pilots whom will retire from ENY to bid DCE to DCL. If there are no backfills then we could see the vacancy carry a minimum of 61 net upgrades. If there are backfill then we could see 87 new upgrades. Please don't plan on 87 upgrades and later be disappointed.
03-07-2016 | 01:11 PM
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You'll have to ask each of the pilot groups what their numbers are today.
I believe PDTs baseline flow is 3/month (and just reached 4) and PSA is 4/month.
I'm sure someone from each can give the verbiage of the LOAs again to show where they max out at.
You'll have to ask each of the pilot groups what their numbers are today.
I believe PDTs baseline flow is 3/month (and just reached 4) and PSA is 4/month.
I'm sure someone from each can give the verbiage of the LOAs again to show where they max out at.
PSA is 5 per month right now, increasing to 8 per month, which will be ~25%
PDT is 4 per month.
By next year, expect Envoy and PSA to be about the same size and 35% of all new hires at AA. This will increase quite a bit if ALPA and APA finish their negotiations and 100% of all new hires come from the WO's.
I would not be surprised if it ends up with PSA and Envoy at 40% and PDT at 20%.
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