Am I missing something?
03-07-2016 | 01:25 PM
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If people were guaranteed a mainline job at AA in 5-6 years, but had to start at PDT/PSA/Envoy, many would take it. But, unless it is proven to actually work, it is useless as a bargaining tool.
03-07-2016 | 01:43 PM
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This sounds like something Mason said was going to happen for Eagle pilots back in '14. Wouldn't believe it until I saw it.
03-07-2016 | 01:47 PM
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Envoy's is currently 50%, and will be cut back to 35% pretty soon.
PSA is 5 per month right now, increasing to 8 per month, which will be ~25%
PDT is 4 per month.
By next year, expect Envoy and PSA to be about the same size and 35% of all new hires at AA. This will increase quite a bit if ALPA and APA finish their negotiations and 100% of all new hires come from the WO's.
I would not be surprised if it ends up with PSA and Envoy at 40% and PDT at 20%.
PSA is 5 per month right now, increasing to 8 per month, which will be ~25%
PDT is 4 per month.
By next year, expect Envoy and PSA to be about the same size and 35% of all new hires at AA. This will increase quite a bit if ALPA and APA finish their negotiations and 100% of all new hires come from the WO's.
I would not be surprised if it ends up with PSA and Envoy at 40% and PDT at 20%.
03-07-2016 | 01:48 PM
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Envoy's is currently 50%, and will be cut back to 35% pretty soon.
PSA is 5 per month right now, increasing to 8 per month, which will be ~25%
PDT is 4 per month.
By next year, expect Envoy and PSA to be about the same size and 35% of all new hires at AA. This will increase quite a bit if ALPA and APA finish their negotiations and 100% of all new hires come from the WO's.
I would not be surprised if it ends up with PSA and Envoy at 40% and PDT at 20%.
PSA is 5 per month right now, increasing to 8 per month, which will be ~25%
PDT is 4 per month.
By next year, expect Envoy and PSA to be about the same size and 35% of all new hires at AA. This will increase quite a bit if ALPA and APA finish their negotiations and 100% of all new hires come from the WO's.
I would not be surprised if it ends up with PSA and Envoy at 40% and PDT at 20%.
From Letter 15-01:
Upon delivery of the 40th EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D, and assuming there are still pilots who were added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011 who have not yet been offered a flow through opportunity, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 25 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to such Envoy pilots, until the point in time when the next pilot on the Envoy master seniority list to be offered a flow through opportunity was hired after October 11, 2011.
03-07-2016 | 02:09 PM
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As awesome as that would be, that wouldn't make much sense. They can be most selective with OTS applicants now and don't have to risk creating huge staffing issues at all three of the WOs simultaneously, forcing them to raise compensation there to attract applicants.
03-07-2016 | 02:17 PM
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A couple of points:
The number of pilots between the Protected Pilot group (flows at 25/month) and newhires is still very small because Envoy has not hired many that have stuck around. I don't have the actual numbers in front of me, but I believe it's less than 300 pilots. So get in as soon as you can, if you're coming for the flow.
2nd point:
While PDT is projecting a fast flow, their numbers are based on their seniority list growing rapidly. As we've already seen at PSA, tripling the size of an airline is full of growing plains and is not likely to be as smooth as projected.
Envoy's flow is set in the contract and the numbers will not vary depending on the size of our seniority list.
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The number of pilots between the Protected Pilot group (flows at 25/month) and newhires is still very small because Envoy has not hired many that have stuck around. I don't have the actual numbers in front of me, but I believe it's less than 300 pilots. So get in as soon as you can, if you're coming for the flow.
2nd point:
While PDT is projecting a fast flow, their numbers are based on their seniority list growing rapidly. As we've already seen at PSA, tripling the size of an airline is full of growing plains and is not likely to be as smooth as projected.
Envoy's flow is set in the contract and the numbers will not vary depending on the size of our seniority list.
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03-09-2016 | 02:29 PM
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03-09-2016 | 02:55 PM
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A couple of points:
The number of pilots between the Protected Pilot group (flows at 25/month) and newhires is still very small because Envoy has not hired many that have stuck around. I don't have the actual numbers in front of me, but I believe it's less than 300 pilots. So get in as soon as you can, if you're coming for the flow.
2nd point:
While PDT is projecting a fast flow, their numbers are based on their seniority list growing rapidly. As we've already seen at PSA, tripling the size of an airline is full of growing plains and is not likely to be as smooth as projected.
Envoy's flow is set in the contract and the numbers will not vary depending on the size of our seniority list.
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The number of pilots between the Protected Pilot group (flows at 25/month) and newhires is still very small because Envoy has not hired many that have stuck around. I don't have the actual numbers in front of me, but I believe it's less than 300 pilots. So get in as soon as you can, if you're coming for the flow.
2nd point:
While PDT is projecting a fast flow, their numbers are based on their seniority list growing rapidly. As we've already seen at PSA, tripling the size of an airline is full of growing plains and is not likely to be as smooth as projected.
Envoy's flow is set in the contract and the numbers will not vary depending on the size of our seniority list.
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