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Nantonaku 03-20-2016 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by HereToWin (Post 2092223)
What are you talking about? I DID do it! It was a bit un-nerving but I did it and my life is soooo much better now. It also makes things a lot easier if you have more than one source of income. My money isn't made from aviation. I enjoy aviation as a hobby that pays but I don't hesitate to put anyone in their place if they step out of line.

Example: Had a Crew scheduling mgr get irate with me at my last gig for calling fatigued. Chewed me up one side and down the other. So, I hopped a js to his office. The surprised look on his face was priceless when I showed up to greet this pint sized package of dynamite. I invited him to speak that way to me now that I was sitting in front of him. You would not believe the amount of "respect and courtesy" that man showed me. It's so funny how people treat others when they can hide behind a phone/pc/etc. Their entire demeanor changes when they are confronted by those they seek to oppress.

#noragrets

Really, you took time out of your own schedule and "hopped a js to his office" to tell him how it is? Extremely bad judgement, not only in time management but in problem solving - professional aviation is better for you not being in it.

Datsun 03-20-2016 10:58 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 2093028)
Really, you took time out of your own schedule and "hopped a js to his office" to tell him how it is? Extremely bad judgement, not only in time management but in problem solving - professional aviation is better for you not being in it.

Wrong. There is more than one way to do things right and what this individual did is one of them. Had this person showed up for or allowed progression into a verbal and/or physical altercation then yes, totally unprofessional, illegal, etc. Showing up to meet and have a respectful yet corrective conversation? At worst this individual possibly violated company rules by not reporting the incident a.k.a. not throwing the scheduler under the bus. Instead, this person actually did the scheduler a favor and even sacrificed some of their own time to do it. Quite generous and definitely not bad judgement, a mismanagement of time, or bad problem solving. It is actually the exact opposite. This individual could have easily reported the guy, thereby jeopardizing his job and ruining his employment file, but didn't. That was not only professional it was also very selfless and benevolent. Don't think even I would have done that and I consider myself a pretty nice person. The scheduler probably learned or remembered to treat people better, something which would have been a roll of the dice had a replacement been hired. Possibly helped improve conditions a little for everybody.

Restorative approaches have their place and should be taken in such places. Just dropping the full weight of the hammer on somebody is not always best. Doing nothing and just "eating the $h!t sandwich" is what is truly extremely bad judgement, bad time management and bad problem solving. Professional aviation would be better if more pilots would stop doing nothing.

100LL 03-28-2016 05:14 AM

Get 1200 hrs and get hired at a good part 135 single pilot turbine company. You can easily start at more than $50,000 a yr. Amazing

V1Rotate95 03-28-2016 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by pleasedontripme (Post 2088994)
If you are one of the people that find most every aspect about the airlines, negative, why don't you leave, start a new career, make a change? I understand some of you need the money, but we all know there is no money in aviation, go do something else.

If you are one of those people that "truly loves aviation," then why do you care about the money so much?

If there is no pilot shortage, why don't you move on?

If the union is screwing you over, why not leave?

If you are bored with 121 flying, why not make a change?

I understand the purpose of this website. The ability to vent, to rip other people, to say whatever you want, and most importantly to complain about your work - it's more or less a necessity. But think of how unproductive it is?

I see all these posts and I always think to myself, "what happened to personal responsibility?" What happened to the drive and motivation to be stimulated, satisfied, and driven in our work? Why are there so many of you contradicting yourselves in so many ways all the time?

You only have one life to live, why spend your time disliking your choices so much? If you made the wrong choice in the past, no big deal, move on and make a better choice today. If you want to fly, fly. If you want to make a million dollars, make am million. If you want to be home every night, be home. Remember with all of your decisions come sacrifice and with all of your sacrifice comes gain.

The next time you are going to post about how terrible your life is or how little money you make, (any other airline complaint for that matter,) put the computer down and take those ten minutes to think about other decisions you might be able to make in your life that might leave you feeling a little more motivated, stimulated, and satisfied.



I completely understand where you are coming from, but sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. I am relatively new to the whole 121 world and ever since it has been a dream to be an airline pilot, I have heard slightly more negativity then positivity. There have even been successful pilots who were negative about the career. But, sometimes the people who are bitter and negative open your eyes to a different aspect that could benefit you in a certain way or another. But, of course there are the ridiculous people that just complain because they want things handed to them. Regardless in ever career there is going to be the bitter negative ones who want to take their negativity and bestow it on to everyone.... Just food for thought.

FrequentFly3r 03-28-2016 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by V1Rotate95 (Post 2097911)
I completely understand where you are coming from, but sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. I am relatively new to the whole 121 world and ever since it has been a dream to be an airline pilot, I have heard slightly more negativity then positivity. There have even been successful pilots who were negative about the career. But, sometimes the people who are bitter and negative open your eyes to a different aspect that could benefit you in a certain way or another. But, of course there are the ridiculous people that just complain because they want things handed to them. Regardless in ever career there is going to be the bitter negative ones who want to take their negativity and bestow it on to everyone.... Just food for thought.

Lol "relatively new". You mean "haven't even started class yet".


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