Why Don't You All Just Leave...
 

If you are one of the people that find most every aspect about the airlines, negative, why don't you leave, start a new career, make a change? I understand some of you need the money, but we all know there is no money in aviation, go do something else.

If you are one of those people that "truly loves aviation," then why do you care about the money so much?

If there is no pilot shortage, why don't you move on?

If the union is screwing you over, why not leave?

If you are bored with 121 flying, why not make a change?

I understand the purpose of this website. The ability to vent, to rip other people, to say whatever you want, and most importantly to complain about your work - it's more or less a necessity. But think of how unproductive it is?

I see all these posts and I always think to myself, "what happened to personal responsibility?" What happened to the drive and motivation to be stimulated, satisfied, and driven in our work? Why are there so many of you contradicting yourselves in so many ways all the time?

You only have one life to live, why spend your time disliking your choices so much? If you made the wrong choice in the past, no big deal, move on and make a better choice today. If you want to fly, fly. If you want to make a million dollars, make am million. If you want to be home every night, be home. Remember with all of your decisions come sacrifice and with all of your sacrifice comes gain.

The next time you are going to post about how terrible your life is or how little money you make, (any other airline complaint for that matter,) put the computer down and take those ten minutes to think about other decisions you might be able to make in your life that might leave you feeling a little more motivated, stimulated, and satisfied.

What I don't understand is why so many people here think they are entitled to something. At some point during the decision to fly and fly for a living, they decided that the world owes them something. That somehow they rank higher in the pecking order over say a janitor or a fast food worker.

Well said , I think the same thing when I see some posts on here . No one made you become a pilot .

You don't think that a bachelor's degree and years of intensive training should advance you in the pecking order over a fast food worker? A 16 year old high school student is qualified to work at McDonalds. Said student is not qualified to fly an airliner.

In what other career field do workers invest the sort of money we have invested to become qualified and educated and get so little in return?

Have a little pride in your accomplishments and realize that you're worth more than this.

When that janitor invests the same amount of time and money into his career that many of us have, then we can talk about "pecking order." I'm sorry if I expect and fight to be compensated properly for my services and SKILLS. Just as I'd expect a doctor to fight to be compensated for his knowledge and skill. Your logic is flawed and it has nothing to do with "entitlement."

Perfect post. Exactly the point I was making.

I agree, no one is entitled to anything....you work for what you want and hopefully you will get it.....

As far as janior.....comes down to skill set. I worked hard to learn what I know and want to be paid for it....there is a long line of uneducated and educated who can be a janitor....the line is considerably shorter for those that can fly an airplane.

Then there should be a "market" for your skillset. Why aren't you holding out for more?

Can anyone here illustrate what would be perfect compensation? I would like to hear this defined.

If you show up and take the offered pay check, that's what you are worth, period. Stop showing up, maybe it'll change.

GF

Now we're getting somewhere.

I do it for the money, retirement, insurance, benefits, vacation and the large blocks of time off. No, I'm not at a regional.

I love the P&M here. I just hired a pilot; HR made an offer, candidate came back for more--when finished, 3% more, signing bonus and additional vacation inked the deal.. HR ain't happy, but that's where corporates are at nowadays. Better offers abound, I'm constantly concerned in the NE, I'll lose pilots to more money.

GF

Let's go ahead and lock this one up before things get even more embarrassing and depressing in here.

The ideas posted here are the reason I'm leaving 121. I'll take my education, talents, and skills and work for someone who can appreciate them.

OP is right - We don't have to live this way. Make a change. Work for a company that values you as a person.

I worked for 2 great airlines and now Gojet. As a human being I have a responsibility to tell people what it is like and what they do to people. I'm in the unique position that they can't do anything to hurt me, while others may be unable to protect themselves. The airline has no morals against destroying someone's career or life it it serves their purposes.

There are good airlines out there. I don't want to sit next to someone and have to listen to him say he did not know what it was like. Go for the quality company and you will be better off in the long run.

Additionally there are many out there that don't know how to compare apples to oranges. This site allows people to point out the good and the bad. People are free to put out opposing views. You can look at the two sides and decide for yourself. Plus, it beats watching Family Guy for the 100th time.

I really hope you're being sarcastic. If not you need to get your head checked. :rolleyes:

No employer appreciates you as a person, don't fool yourself. Your a tool that enables the owners (the risk takers) to make as much money as possible. But this is the great thing about America. If you are looking for better treatment or something along those lines, you can always start your own company and run it how you see fit.

I feel that my new career is compensating me appropriately for my level of education and my skill set. I'm not referred to as an employee number, but by my name. And my pay and time off is not established by a union or senority, but is based on actual qualifications, merit, and person to person conversations. Night and day difference.

I don't think you understand the purpose of this website at all actually.

Excellent. Market principals are being upheld in your case. It sounds like a win win situation.

That's not a compelling argument at all. Perhaps you can elaborate on your position a little. The way you left it i don't think many can support your position.

Sure.

"AirlinePilotCentral.com (“APC”) launched in 2005 with the goal of providing comprehensive information for airline pilots. APC delivers up-to-date information on over 100 North American airlines, along with career preparation assistance, downloads, cutting edge pay comparison charts, and the most active U.S. airline pilot forum with over 44,500 registered users. "

The forum is an extension of that. More than anything else it is a place for pilots to help pilots. It's purpose is not simply a b!tch board. The "up-to-date information" comes from us.

Please enlighten us on the purpose of this site......it's to post comments, concerns and whatever else we feel is justified by our first amendment rights.

DH

I'm tapping out of this thread...too many dumb arguments all the way around :confused:

As a parting shot, FirstClass, let me know how your ideological thinking works while you slave away for PSA...one of the biggest culprits for exploiting a phenomenon known as "SJS" that you yourself have fallen victim to.

ALL regionals are culprits of this, no one regional is exempt. I still don't get this whole "superior" regional airline mentality.......they are ALL ****, it just depends which one is the shiniest.

DH

You don't have first amendment rights at all on a private website.

I'm not at all complaining. I hope the pilots negotiate a windfall. But I accepted the job as-is. If one day I feel like my energies are spent better elsewhere, I'll just quit.

Just as the OP doesn't understand the purpose of this site, you do not understand the First Amendment of the Constitution.

#justwow

So you have judged yourself superior to a janitor. Are you also superior to a Doctor, a lawyer, or a plumber? Tell us where you fit in. If you have the guts, numerically order the 5 professions. Enlighten us with your non-flawed logic if you can.

Also, if you would be so kind, can you tell us the proper compensation?

Hashtag? What a tool.

Yes private entities are not required to "protect my speech", but under the first amendment I have THE RIGHT TO SAY IT.....hence my point, but thanks for the Civics lesson.

DH

True satisfaction can only come through a proper relationship with Jesus Christ.

Is this Bryan Bedford in disguise? I kid!

DH

The OP has been in the 121 world 3 months, probably has 20 hours of airline time. Great thread, telling pilots how they should feel about their job started by someone that has not the first clue about 121 flying. This place. . .

You're either trolling hard or you need to be pulled offline for a psyc eval. I'm not sure which, but I'm starting to fear it's the latter.

I also noticed that and found it hilarious. I can't wait to see what this guy is typing here after the SJS wears off and the suck starts to set in.

You still don't get it.

#whatatool

Not About Me...
 

I wasn't trying to make this post about me. But to defend my 3 months in 121 I will give a little history.

-I flew in Alaska 135 for a number of years.

-I came to 121 to get IFR experience, a jet type rating, and useful experience that I can use in the future.

- I made a decision that X$$ compensation and X QOL was equal to my expectations for the work/service I am providing.

-I do not have any pipe dreams about my future in the airlines, I most likely will be here for 1-2 years before I move on to continue my life goals.

-I certainly know nothing about the life of a 10 year airline pilot, but I know that if I am as unhappy as many who post here after even a few months I will move on to the next chapter in my journey.

I will admit that I misquoted/misspoke about the website. I am sure the intention was to provide up to date, useful information, that would benefit pilots in many ways (which I think it does, gouges, hiring status, etc) -- but the other posts that are so negative and inflammatory seem far less productive (much like this thread has gone in just a few SHORT hours).

I am a nobody, with little experience in the 121 world. I was simply trying to say, that if the industry I have entered, if the pilots I work with, continue to have such a melancholy, disinterested, negative attitude -- what is it to make me/to make you stay? (the money, the glory, the dream of LEGACY?) Just seems like there may be a place where our hard work, efforts, dedication, dreams, and attributes will be more deeply appreciated/noticed than the world that is 121 Airline flying.

Sorry dad, I forgot I don't know how to read a document. Next time I will ask for permission before I speak.

Get a life bruh!

DH

You're in the wrong business then my friend. It's full of *******s with A type personalities who throw you under the bus then back it up after it rolled over you. Thick skin is a must and you have to be able to play with the big boys.

DH

I can't believe I'm actually responding to this numb nuts. The point is not about being superior to someone and putting a numerical value on ones worth is asinine. You seem to be telling me my paycheck should be similar to that of a janitor. I am telling you no, it should not. Do you really think pilots walk into the restroom at the airport and go, "I'm an 8, but that janitor cleaning the urinal? He's only a 2!"

Now, what is the proper compensation? I would say the proper compensation is one which allows you to live comfortably in the local of your choosing, while creating a nice retirement savings, providing for your family, being able to properly pay off your flight school loans (which that janitor does not have), among many other things.

I'm sorry if I can't quantify that number for you, but asking me to do that is like the Chinese student I had who asked me "at what altitude do I flair? Is it 5 feet, 6 feet, 7 feet?!"