Pilot arrested
11-21-2016 | 08:30 PM
#171
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Yes it does. Flying is a privilege, not a constitutional right, or any other kind of right.
And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets.
Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call.
Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it).
And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets.
Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call.
Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it).
11-22-2016 | 03:47 AM
#172
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From: Professional Eugoogoolizer at the Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can’t Read Good
Yes it does. Flying is a privilege, not a constitutional right, or any other kind of right.
And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets.
Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call.
Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it).
And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets.
Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call.
Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it).
I do not trust labs and I do not trust breathalyzers.
11-22-2016 | 05:39 AM
#173
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From: Observing
Yes it does. Flying is a privilege, not a constitutional right, or any other kind of right.
And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets.
Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call.
Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it).
And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets.
Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call.
Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it).
Well I agree with you Rick about not showing up drunk. The point I was making is that you have the right to counsel (an attorney), BEFORE making any statement or answering any question-if you are suspected of committing a crime. You're not refusing to take any test-just exercising your rights. It's all legal posturing, but it might buy you a couple of extra hours, which might make the difference (legally). Get what I'm sayin?
11-22-2016 | 02:53 PM
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11-23-2016 | 04:43 PM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Well I agree with you Rick about not showing up drunk. The point I was making is that you have the right to counsel (an attorney), BEFORE making any statement or answering any question-if you are suspected of committing a crime. You're not refusing to take any test-just exercising your rights. It's all legal posturing, but it might buy you a couple of extra hours, which might make the difference (legally). Get what I'm sayin?
As I said before, it's a tough situation. If you get the criminal conviction, your job and career are in serious jeopardy anyway, but it's your first time you'll probably keep your tickets and be able to get another aviation job. HIMS can even get your old job back.
Only way to win this game is to not play.
11-23-2016 | 06:15 PM
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This idea that the majority of public assistance recipients are just lazy people who don't want to work is so incredibly ignorant and uninformed. Oh, and also proven to be untrue. But who cares about actual facts though....am I right?
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