Originally Posted by disillusioned

Yep, you try to push the 8 to 12, or tell us we can't take a water bottle off the plane, we will have pitchforks and a lynch mob in the crew room within an hour.

However, if all you want to do is up the block hours flown during the month of December and send a nice email telling us how important operation credibility is right now, and we better not call of sick when we are CN/PN'ed flying over the holidays, then we will just put our shoulder to the wheel and keep our mouths shut. Now is not the time to discuss how we have kept picking up flying hours from the other airlines over the past year, all while the attrition picks up and training is busting at the seems so much, we need to bypass seniority when awarding upgrades. Just don't have any alcohol on your breath when you call in faigued after working 95 hours plus for the past couple years. At least you will be able to spend more time with the family.

I had waited so long to see the pilot group come together over an issue that really mattered. Too bad more time at home with the families is not going to be that issue. It's really too bad. And best of luck to my fellow aviator. I am in your corner hoping for an acceptable outcome.

Originally Posted by obx41

What does the collective bargaining agent for an airline have to do with their alcohol policy? ALPA, SWAPA, APA, Teamsters, et al have zero say in what the company develops in their FAA accepted FOM about alcohol consumption.

Four ALPA carriers and 2 were 12, 2 were 8. So what? I've never seen it in the PWA.

Originally Posted by prex8390

I agree, he made the decision to do that and clearly I would never advocate drinking and flying. I guess what I'm saying is there needs to be a better effort company wise to stop these people before ever showing up to the airport. And more training to get someone to call out. The person might have a serious problem and his Fellow pilot might be there person who finally gets him the help he needs before he shows up like the guys in 1990 with northwest airlines on Fargo. If someone wants to fly drunk; then yeah. They deserve to go to jail. What I guess I was trying to say is. More help and better situational awareness at the hotel. Stop it before it happens.

Originally Posted by bnkangle

Speak for yourself, bro. I've never showed for work intoxicated or extremely fatigued. In fact, I called off my last trip because I was running mild fever with body aches- not fit for duty. It's not difficult.

You're implying he should be excused because he might be suffering from a disease. Read your last post that I rebutted.


If you're daughter, wife, loved one's life was taken at the hands of a drunk driver, how would you react if someone told you, "He made a mistake. Lighten up." ?

Why do you think every state has DWI and DUI laws with zero tolerance? I'm afraid you don't realize how serious this matter is.

Originally Posted by gojo

I wonder what it's like to be perfect? Show some compassion. I hope he can get the help he needs. FYI, the naked pilot from the Harrisburg fiasco is now at Delta. People make mistakes. The trick is learning from them an humbling yourself. It would seem you still haven't learned that lesson

Originally Posted by cybirr

Yes, innocent until proven guilty.
Yes, people are responsible for their own actions.

But...

I was impressed by the instructors in SKW ground school hammering home the point, we as a crew need to keep the bad actor away from the plane. That other pilot and maybe even the FA's ought to be explaining why they didn't interdict this situation at bus time.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

The guy from Harrisburg wasn't in uniform. He just had an unfortunate American Pie type story that could have happened to anyone.