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Originally Posted by LNL76
(Post 2247064)
Anyone on public assistance should!
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Originally Posted by tinman1
(Post 2247125)
You should volunteer most of your paycheck so those who haven't earned it can enjoy the same luxuries.
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Originally Posted by LNL76
(Post 2247181)
OOPS, I thought we were talking about drug testing! :o
Carry on.... |
Originally Posted by Wink
(Post 2247069)
What?
Being a flight attendant, you should know many of them require government assistance just to get by. So by virtue of not having a lucrative career, they should not be allowed to have a drink every once in a while? How asinine is that? Yes, lets strip away simple life pleasures because someone is poor. Great idea. |
Originally Posted by Bootleg
(Post 2246186)
91.17c. doesn't override the Constitution my friend. And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets. Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call. Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it). |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2247745)
Yes it does. Flying is a privilege, not a constitutional right, or any other kind of right.
And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets. Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call. Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it). I do not trust labs and I do not trust breathalyzers. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2247745)
Yes it does. Flying is a privilege, not a constitutional right, or any other kind of right.
And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets. Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call. Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it). Well I agree with you Rick about not showing up drunk. The point I was making is that you have the right to counsel (an attorney), BEFORE making any statement or answering any question-if you are suspected of committing a crime. You're not refusing to take any test-just exercising your rights. It's all legal posturing, but it might buy you a couple of extra hours, which might make the difference (legally). Get what I'm sayin? |
Originally Posted by MKUltra
(Post 2247823)
Agreed.. be sober.. but, if you are singled out for some reason, go slow... me personally, criminal trumps faa action. But my personal situation is much different.
I do not trust labs and I do not trust breathalyzers. |
Originally Posted by LNL76
(Post 2247064)
Anyone on public assistance should!
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Originally Posted by Bootleg
(Post 2247894)
Well I agree with you Rick about not showing up drunk. The point I was making is that you have the right to counsel (an attorney), BEFORE making any statement or answering any question-if you are suspected of committing a crime. You're not refusing to take any test-just exercising your rights. It's all legal posturing, but it might buy you a couple of extra hours, which might make the difference (legally). Get what I'm sayin?
As I said before, it's a tough situation. If you get the criminal conviction, your job and career are in serious jeopardy anyway, but it's your first time you'll probably keep your tickets and be able to get another aviation job. HIMS can even get your old job back. Only way to win this game is to not play. |
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