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Radials Rule 11-21-2016 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 2247064)
Anyone on public assistance should!

<yawn>

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Wink 11-21-2016 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by tinman1 (Post 2247125)
You should volunteer most of your paycheck so those who haven't earned it can enjoy the same luxuries.

I do volunteer ny time and money for causes I believe in. Thanks

NeverHome 11-21-2016 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 2247181)
OOPS, I thought we were talking about drug testing! :o

Carry on....

Drugs are bad, mmmmmmmmmkaaayyyy

rickair7777 11-21-2016 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by Wink (Post 2247069)
What?

Being a flight attendant, you should know many of them require government assistance just to get by. So by virtue of not having a lucrative career, they should not be allowed to have a drink every once in a while? How asinine is that?

Yes, lets strip away simple life pleasures because someone is poor. Great idea.

Anyone on welfare should be drug tested...fail and no more handouts. Just like my job (except I have to go to work sometimes).

rickair7777 11-21-2016 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Bootleg (Post 2246186)

91.17c. doesn't override the Constitution my friend.

Yes it does. Flying is a privilege, not a constitutional right, or any other kind of right.

And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets.

Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call.

Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it).

MKUltra 11-22-2016 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2247745)
Yes it does. Flying is a privilege, not a constitutional right, or any other kind of right.

And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets.

Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call.

Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it).

Agreed.. be sober.. but, if you are singled out for some reason, go slow... me personally, criminal trumps faa action. But my personal situation is much different.

I do not trust labs and I do not trust breathalyzers.

Bootleg 11-22-2016 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2247745)
Yes it does. Flying is a privilege, not a constitutional right, or any other kind of right.

And it's a tough spot because a legit due process refusal to testing may save you from a criminal conviction, but at the same time give the FAA grounds to revoke your tickets.

Comply with the testing to save your tickets, and you might give LE all the ammo they need to convict! Tough call.

Better just to not show up drunk (then the blood test should be safe enough if they ask for it).


Well I agree with you Rick about not showing up drunk. The point I was making is that you have the right to counsel (an attorney), BEFORE making any statement or answering any question-if you are suspected of committing a crime. You're not refusing to take any test-just exercising your rights. It's all legal posturing, but it might buy you a couple of extra hours, which might make the difference (legally). Get what I'm sayin?

Bootleg 11-22-2016 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by MKUltra (Post 2247823)
Agreed.. be sober.. but, if you are singled out for some reason, go slow... me personally, criminal trumps faa action. But my personal situation is much different.

I do not trust labs and I do not trust breathalyzers.

^^^^exactly^^^^

ClickClickBoom 11-23-2016 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 2247064)
Anyone on public assistance should!

Let's face it, if there was any group entitled to day drinking it's the public assistance crowd.

rickair7777 11-23-2016 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Bootleg (Post 2247894)
Well I agree with you Rick about not showing up drunk. The point I was making is that you have the right to counsel (an attorney), BEFORE making any statement or answering any question-if you are suspected of committing a crime. You're not refusing to take any test-just exercising your rights. It's all legal posturing, but it might buy you a couple of extra hours, which might make the difference (legally). Get what I'm sayin?

If you're going to stall on testing, there's probably a fine line, better get skilled legal advice from an aviation attorney in advance. If your stalling is deemed refusal by the FAA your tickets are toast.

As I said before, it's a tough situation. If you get the criminal conviction, your job and career are in serious jeopardy anyway, but it's your first time you'll probably keep your tickets and be able to get another aviation job. HIMS can even get your old job back.

Only way to win this game is to not play.


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