Pilot arrested
 

Someone spiked the KoolAid.

I wonder if it was facebiter.

Way to blow this up.... not. Hope he gets the help he needs

It's a bummer all around, I feel bad for his family and him. Not preaching, I enjoy drinking but won't the day before I fly or on overnights. Gives me anxiety. I hope his life moving forward is not too painfull.

Don't throw rocks. our last run in (Delta mainline) was MUCH more entertaining, we were just lucky the media didn't find out.

Not throwing rocks, just information, go for it on mainline if you want. I guess people don't watch TV and read the paper. Good thing you are representing the "real Delta."

I have a little more class than that....

That's what I gathered from your previous statement:rolleyes: Moving on.

In a word, irresponsible.

Does Skywest have a program for this?

Don't worry. SkyWest's union will be all over this. They will be able to help him, get him into HIMS, and he will be all right.

Wait? SkyWest doesn't have a union?

Yes its called HIMs.

You sound stupid, SkyWest will put him into HIMs without an unions to do it. Because it the right thing to do.

We do have a HIMS program.

Not only do we have hims, we don't get last call 12 prior like all the alpa boys. You can have your 12 hours.

HIMS offers no protection after the fact.

Not that it seems to make a difference. Don't push your luck if 8 hours is a target to you.

HIMS won't offer protection or guarantee of keeping your job after the fact, but you can still enter the program after the fact to get yourself help.
Keeping or getting your job back will not be guaranteed regardless of union or not.

Anxiety? Just be responsible. There's a big difference in having a few glasses of wine or a couple of beers then dropping hammer before you fly with a 6 pack and a couple of patron's.

Know your limit and if the stars are lined up perfect with the hottest chick you ever met then go for it and call out sick the next day.

Just be responsible and then you won't have any anxieties.

Most importantly, whats the guy DOH?

What 12 prior? It's been 8 for years as far as I heard.

...maybe that's his way of being responsible!!! very unfortunate for those involved!

I can't be the only one thinking that this might not be the appropriate thread for such a statement....

It's 8 hours at my ALPA-represented airline.

One less loser lifer 10 year first officer in Salt Lake. No sympathy for this idiot. If you are stupid enough to throw away your entire career and life for a night in South Dakota, then you deserve exactly what happened to him. He is an embarrassment to our community as pilots, just as the others before him.

I wonder what it's like to be perfect? Show some compassion. I hope he can get the help he needs. FYI, the naked pilot from the Harrisburg fiasco is now at Delta. People make mistakes. The trick is learning from them an humbling yourself. It would seem you still haven't learned that lesson

I make tons of mistakes. Showing up drunk to work isn't a mistake, it's a choice.. a choice to put 53 lives in peril because you're selfish.

Oh a new user name tough guy.
You so riiiiiight.

If by perfect you mean reporting for work sober every day of your career, I'd say 99.5% of professional pilots are.

Why should this person be shown any compassion? Should drunk drivers who've killed people behind the wheel be shown compassion?

This guy knew he was tanked when he showed up for work. This is the primary issue.

These types of occurrences give all pilots a bad rap and puts us under even more scrutiny. Compassion? I think not.

"Irresponsible" is just one the many unpleasant symptoms of alcohol/drug addiction. This guys life is gonna change and I hope he is giving the opportunity to turn things around. He is gonna need help and not criticism. I hope he gets the help he needs.

I'm guessing the "What do you do if your captain shows up drunk" question in interviews trips you up a lot.

Actually it does. Not a sure thing but plenty of case studies of folks who got their job back after a conviction and revocation of certs.

You have obviously never found yourself helplessly addicted to alcohol or drugs. It's a truly hopeless and pathetic state of existence and once you have reached that stage you no longer have "a choice". I suspect you have lived an easy sheltered life. I envy you,.. Some of us have not been so fortunate.

8 for SKW, 12 for most other airlines.

Just because you have the power to be an anonymous jackass online doesn't mean you should be one.

Yeah, he made some horrible choices but there's not one person on this board that knows what has been going on in his life.

I say the mods should lock this thread up.

Have you ever showed up to work very fatigued? Many pilots do, yet research shows fatigue closely resembles being under the influence of something. Or how about an illness of some sort? Again many pilots do, and worse yet many are self medicating with non FAA approved drugs. The system worked and he was not allowed to fly.

Ten+ years ago I would have had a lot more sympathy, a lot more. I grew up in a different era.

But the memo's been out now for a long time. Anybody who drinks more than a few or inside 8 hours really should know they need to call HIMS...before they get caught.

Just because you're addicted doesn't mean you're stupid. Smart enough to fly a jet? Smart enough to read all those emails and memos. Getting help is easy, you just have to decide to do it.

Let's not confuse someone's illness with my freedom. My sensitivity on this topic expired a number of years ago. EVERYBODY has seen the emails, memos, and the presentation in recurrent.

I was given percocets after surgery. They made me feel extremely well, and when I realized that I wasn't in pain but still taking them, it scared the crap out of me. Flushed them all down the toilet. I am one of the lucky ones. Chemical dependency removes your ability to think straight and rationally. Removes your will power, and self control.
You really need to nip it in the bud before it becomes a problem. The only addictive problem I suffer from that challenges my self control is a Chinese buffet or all you can eat sushi deal. I'm lucky if I can walk out of the restaurant.