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Old 11-05-2016 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fearofpavement
It's an acronym for "wholly owned" and refers to regional airlines that are 100 percent owned by a legacy carrier. So in essence the WO airlines are a subsidiary of the major airline parent.


In essence we are mainline pilots. Ahhhh I said it. I feel so good now.
Old 11-05-2016 | 07:15 PM
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In essence we are mainline pilots. Ahhhh I said it. I feel so good now.
Hahaha.. i just pooped myself.. thanks for the laugh.. I'm a mainline fo.. flying a turbo prop..
Old 11-05-2016 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BestJetPilot
Let's hope not...at least FO's because that would be hazardous. Majors (or anyone) should only hire those with experience as a Captain. Since check haulers et al, are all but gone, let the newbies cut their teeth at the regional level as a Captain.
Are you serious.. Is there a difference between the flying of a regional aircraft and a mainline aircraft? Is the flying any different? Different systems? Different passengers?

So a newbie is safer after being pic on a regional aircraft and than they are qualified to be an fo on mainline aircraft? I flew checks for a long time.. At no time did that flying make me a better 121 pilot.. If anything it gave me many hazardous attitudes, that I thought was apart of being a pilot...

My comapany has worked hard to have the same level of training and sops as our parent company, therefore if you qualify as an fo at my company there should be no reason you can't qualify on the mainline aircraft.
Old 11-06-2016 | 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BestJetPilot
Let's hope not...at least FO's because that would be hazardous. Majors (or anyone) should only hire those with experience as a Captain. Since check haulers et al, are all but gone, let the newbies cut their teeth at the regional level as a Captain.
That is a rather bold statement.
Old 11-06-2016 | 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BestJetPilot
Let's hope not...at least FO's because that would be hazardous. Majors (or anyone) should only hire those with experience as a Captain. Since check haulers et al, are all but gone, let the newbies cut their teeth at the regional level as a Captain.
There is a great deal wrong with this statement.

The systems of a new CRJ or ERJ are just as complex as a mainline jet, if not more in some cases. The Nexgen 900 or 175 are more complex than older 737s.

Regional pilots fly in the same airspace, with the same complexities. RNAV arrivals/departures. CatII approaches. Flying into ORD/ATL/LAX/LGA/DCA. We are doing the same job.

Some of the FO's that are going straight to the majors have been FOs for the better part of a decade. They are certainly better qualified to be a mainline pilot than some guy flying checks in a Navajo.

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Old 11-06-2016 | 04:28 AM
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To answer the initial question in this thread, I doubt that the airlines will purposefully cannibalize their own regionals. But, I think that they will cannibalize each others regionals.

Delta is hiring 120 pilots a month for the next 6+ years. Imagine the damage they would do to an AA WO if Delta were to hire a few hundred from them in a couple months. They could hire every LCA that the WO have in 2 months, or they could hire 25% of all PDT pilots. That would essentially cripple the regional feed of their competitor.
Old 11-06-2016 | 05:45 AM
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So if you work for a WO like envoy for 5 years and flow to AA does your years of service at Envoy count? So will you be a FO at AA at 6 years or 1 year when u first start?


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So if you work for a WO like envoy for 5 years and flow to AA does your years of service at Envoy count? So will you be a FO at AA at 6 years or 1 year when u first start?


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Year 1. It starts over again.

(I think the original 824 at Envoy might have some sort of a deal - vacation maybe? Someone from Envoy can tell you about that, but as a new hire, you get nothing special when you go to AA as of right now.)
Old 11-06-2016 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PSA help
Year 1. It starts over again.

(I think the original 824 at Envoy might have some sort of a deal - vacation maybe? Someone from Envoy can tell you about that, but as a new hire, you get nothing special when you go to AA as of right now.)
And, just to add 100% pure speculation to this... it has been speculated by many that as a means to stem attrition at the WOs in the future and as a recruiting tool, AAG may start offering longevity pay beginning with your DoH at the WO when you flow to mainline. I have no clue how they would work that out between APA/ALPA etc but I've certainly heard that rumor floated quite a bit. I personally do not believe a staple or absorption of the WOs by mainline will ever happen, but longevity pay seems plausible.
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Originally Posted by PSA help
Year 1. It starts over again.

(I think the original 824 at Envoy might have some sort of a deal - vacation maybe? Someone from Envoy can tell you about that, but as a new hire, you get nothing special when you go to AA as of right now.)
Vacation from original doh at Eagle, and carried over sick time.
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