higney85

There would be zero binding arbitration. That takes sections of legal law and proving beyond common sense. Look at any LCC vs a major in payrates on the -88 or -318/19/20/757. It capitalism. That's life. It goes both ways. The nlrb is a long shot at best at this point to say "airline abc pays 987 an hour and we get 123; and mgmt doesn't agree, yet we staff it..". Apples and oranges. Airline A has billions in profit, airline B is fighting a loss. That's a free economy. Airline A may be business people with a reliable schedule vs B, or flights every day vs once a week, or snacks vs a swipe, or bags, or; now I'm mad.

Lcc's make a profit. Majors make a bigger profit by many factors. The majors win by reliability, perks, and overall schedule. That's economy of scale, and the american way. It's also known as capitalism. Show up to win or be beaten. Thats life in a 5k race or life in general. If it makes you feel better, I got killed in my age group for a turkey trot and get to try again in st Jude. Life sucks, you pay taxes, then you die. Such is life. Either get onboard, or yell and scream all the way through. Your call, it's your time wasted.

Look big picture. Pick your path, and enjoy life. Thinking the govt will give you something is amazing, like social security for millennials. Sounds great, not happening as hoped. You create your own destiny, on your choices alone.

gloopy

LOL exactly. That didn't even make sense.

When and if they ask us about it, I hope we simply say "you can't afford it" and walk out.

Not one more seat, not one more pound, not one more airframe. Let the regionals choke on their current fleet options. Not our problem. JetBlue flies the E190 at 10% less than their A320 pay. We can do the exact same thing for these pathetically sent to market "scope jets", or they can eat them. Whatever.

FlyingSlowly

There will always be a market for efficient aircraft in all seat categories. The E2 in all flavors fills that need.

The next 25 years will not be quite like the past...and Delta, AAL, and UAL do not have a global monopoly on air transport.

Foreign carriers operate on different models, as do the LCCs.

Lots of variables to consider and lots of potential uses...

Besides, if large "regional jets" (kind of ironic, compared to the PAX capacity of early 737s) really are that great at saving $$$$, then the majors might just have to swallow their pride and operate them directly.

saturn

Just saw the MRJ flying around the other day here in the US...

There's only tens of billions of dollars at stake in all of this. My bet is something happens to allow them. Whether its clever engineering to get the weight down somehow, or pilot groups feeling like management offers them a deal the cannot refuse. Everybody has a price. I feel like managements haven't pushed as hard as they could have yet. A lot can happen in half a decade in this industry.

KSCessnaDriver

Yes, the DC-9-10 was roughly the same size as a CRJ9. It's a bit heavier, burns quite a bit more fuel, but passenger wise its about the same. There's a reason the scope limit is 86,000 lbs, any higher and you're in the DC-9-10 territory.

sailingfun

In the case of the MRJ it needs to happen yesterday. Skywest is supposed to take delivery in 2018. That means they need to get instructors into class in the spring and line pilots into class in the fall.
There is a scope compliant version however it is heavy for 69seats in a two class and not a improvement over current offerings.
With the smallest size geared turbofan available you really need the 90 seater to get the efficiency gains.

Ordell

The clause is 86k pounds. The MRJ is 87.3K. They can probably shave that off pretty easy.

gloopy

They could pay mainline pilots mainline pay. If not, I guess they won't want those tens of billions of dollars very badly.

RgrMurdock

If you take the standard version of the MRJ90 and put in two class with economy plus or whatever you want to call it and reduce the pax down, you could get it inside the weight requirement if re-certified. I'm not sure how difficult the actual re-certification would be but it's possible. With the normal 9 first class configuration you already see in the market, it would also be 81 seats. You could add more first or more economy plus but maybe that would ruin the RVSM. The E2 is supposedly way heavier than the MRJ. Something like 10000 lbs on MGTOW but I can't remember exactly. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

sailingfun

The short range version of the MRJ 90 is at 87.3. The MRJ 70 is less and meets scope. They tried to shave the weight. Wing failed and is being beefed up.