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Old 12-05-2016 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Okay, Skywest starts operating the MRJ for Alaska, Alaska scope is the lulz, and Delta pilots file a grievance causing DAL to drop Skywest. Skywest then leases its 27 owned gates in ATL to NAI/ME3, now what? It would be monumentally stupid to cancel your agreement with Skywest under these circumstances.
You claim Skywest owns the gates. That would be unique since no other airline including Delta owns any gates at ATL. They are all leased and the lease agreements include a recapture if the gate is not utilized by the operating airline.
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Old 12-05-2016 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You claim Skywest owns the gates. That would be unique since no other airline including Delta owns any gates at ATL. They are all leased and the lease agreements include a recapture if the gate is not utilized by the operating airline.
Yes, Skywest subleases the gates they lease from ATL to the airline they choose, which happens to be Delta. Airlines have the option to renew their leases. I'm fully aware of how this process works, including the different categories of gate utilization in ATL, you don't need to keep repeating it.
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Old 12-05-2016 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Okay, Skywest starts operating the MRJ for Alaska, Alaska scope is the lulz, and Delta pilots file a grievance causing DAL to drop Skywest. Skywest then leases its 27 owned gates in ATL to NAI/ME3, now what? It would be monumentally stupid to cancel your agreement with Skywest under these circumstances.
So wide bodies would start parking in the C & D Concourses? That would knock out several gates per widebody. No customs there either.

Won't happen anyway.
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Old 12-05-2016 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Okay, Skywest starts operating the MRJ for Alaska, Alaska scope is the lulz, and Delta pilots file a grievance causing DAL to drop Skywest. Skywest then leases its 27 owned gates in ATL to NAI/ME3, now what? It would be monumentally stupid to cancel your agreement with Skywest under these circumstances.
The tiny gates with no customs in the already overflowing at RJ capacity terminals are going to handle 27 gates worth of international wide bodies?

That would be fun to watch. And DL would do just fine.
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Old 12-05-2016 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Thanks for another bang em up response Sybil. [/IMG]
You're really putting on a clinic of how to prove an articulate point.
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Old 12-05-2016 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
The tiny gates with no customs in the already overflowing at RJ capacity terminals are going to handle 27 gates worth of international wide bodies?

That would be fun to watch. And DL would do just fine.
And the restrooms are soooo small...........
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Old 12-06-2016 | 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
The tiny gates with no customs in the already overflowing at RJ capacity terminals are going to handle 27 gates worth of international wide bodies?

That would be fun to watch. And DL would do just fine.
No, not wide bodies, NAI's subsidized feeder jets.
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Old 12-06-2016 | 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Yes, Skywest subleases the gates they lease from ATL to the airline they choose, which happens to be Delta. Airlines have the option to renew their leases. I'm fully aware of how this process works, including the different categories of gate utilization in ATL, you don't need to keep repeating it.
You keep stating Skywest owns the gates. They don't and subleases must be approved by the ATL airport authority. They don't do that normally. The take back and reissue the gate.
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Old 12-06-2016 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
No, not wide bodies, NAI's subsidized feeder jets.
That even assumes that ATL is some golden goose market. Its many multiplies bigger than its O&D demand because the excess is used by DL (and a lesser extent SWA) as an arbitrary hub. First of all there is zero chance anywhere close to that total number of gates would go to the feeders of ME3 and NAI scab FoC type airlines. It would probably be a small fraction of that. DL would likely end up with a significant amount anyway, and most of the rest would go to so called LCC's that don't code share with the vermin airlines you mentioned.

IOW, empty threat. Oh, and to any extent that SKYW actually has a say, which is very little BTW, DL would easily be the highest bidder for most of those gates, which they would desperately need the money from (again, even assuming they had much of a say) because if they did that then by definition they were losing a massive amount of their revenue and guaranteed profits. There is zero chance (again, even if they had a say) that they would pass up more money in order to try and harm a DL out of hubris.

Not worried about it in the slightest. But SKYW should be.
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Old 12-06-2016 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Psssst. Sorry to burst your bubble Sybil, DL is not the only game in town. If you knew and studied the company you work for, you would know a lot more than you claim. All hail the widget!
Again what is your point?

DL already has a large SWA presence in ATL, and as you know they are a fierce competitor. DL has done quite well against them. Any 27 gate new entrant would have to fight a two front war. It would actually be more than that for them, because they would have to go for the higher frequency routes and therefore also butt heads against ALG and Frontier and JB etc, so on the routes they would most likely do, they'd face razor thin margins.

And again, there is absolute zero chance a SKYW termination would result in all the gates going to a single new entrant airline. No chance at all. While you may relish the thought of an outgoing revenge strike on DL for blocking your ultra large RJ manifest destiny, its just not going to happen.

SKYW will only be permitted to operate your dream planes if they do it IndyAir style. And we all know how that will end up.
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