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Old 12-03-2016 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Sorry in a labor contract like that, you don't own 100% of anything. You have an agreement with another party, both agreeing on the same terms. Which means both sides must honor that contract, which means both parties agree. Delta didn't hand over 100% of the code. You both agreed on the said terms of the contract, making both parties Co owners. Going to have to just face the music.
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The only end of our contract is that we show up for work.

What you're driving at would only make sense on the most mundane levels if, I suppose, DL/UAL/etc pilots didn't show up for work and refused to fly the code that they own. Then perhaps there would be some ability for the company to seek relief. That would technically be possible in a legal self help situation. Technically, but of course it wouldn't work, because they couldn't find 13000 scabs fast enough, and probably not nearly that many at all in any amount of time.

Short of something like that, DALPA owns the DL code WRT who flies it. UAL as well as SWA too, and many others. Not all though, so maybe SKYW can fly those scope jets at some of the places that don't own their own code. That is certainly possible. But then if they did, they would run afoul of DL/UAL pilot code ownership in the first place.
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Old 12-03-2016 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Delta would lose a few but retain most. They have a bit of clout in the Atlanta area.
Not only that, but ATL is far from some magic yield gravy train. Its a great place for a large hub, and an ok place for a medium sized focus city. Beyond that, its role as an O&D for the limited directs any carrier could do even if they got several gates is limited, and any hub and spoke flying from ATL to another airlines hub would fade into the vast background of every other network there is because everyone's already doing it.
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Old 12-03-2016 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
RIP inventor of Big Mack passed today. McDonald's awarded him a plaque for his sandwich.
An arterial plaque ?
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Old 12-04-2016 | 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Man, you just cannot stay on point, and just continue to ramble on and on like a broken record. Seriously, do you realize how scattered your thoughts are? I'm starting to really wonder about you..
I'm just glad he found a new thread to hijack
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Old 12-04-2016 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
That's a great idea if you want to see an explosion of LCC. When mainline only serves major cities
Sounds like me when talking about leaving the regionals, "easy, I jut need to win the Powerball" LOL!

In my last 3 trips I have had legs of 1,200 and 1,300 NM and flew to 4 different countries, there's not much regional left in those regionals. "Contract airlines".
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Old 12-04-2016 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Man, you just cannot stay on point, and just continue to ramble on and on like a broken record. Seriously, do you realize how scattered your thoughts are? I'm starting to really wonder about you..
Well that was straight out of "rules for regional airline manager radicals"

Sorry bro, but SKYW isn't going to fly larger RJ's for DL or anyone else for that matter, unless they go it alone. If they do, more power to em! I predict they'll make millions (following the typical recipe for becoming a millionaire in the airlines).
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Old 12-05-2016 | 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Not really, a loss of revenue from 30% of their fleet would quickly put Skywest out of business. Alaska is not going to take that flying and their new contract will almost certainly include restrictions. What you completely overlook is they would also loose their UAL flying.






Exactly how "loose" would this UAL flying become?
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Old 12-05-2016 | 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Paid2fly
Exactly how "loose" would this UAL flying become?
Typing on a phone with spell correct is not my strong suit.
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Old 12-05-2016 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
And you just spiked the football confirming my thoughts.
Or, you could attempt to form a cognizant argument explaining your position. Since you refuse to, and resort only to (vague and bizarre) ad hominem attacks, I'm left to assume, based on the rarified tone of the almost random hit and run responses from you, that you don't even have an argument and are just attempting to troll, which is cool. I'm actually enjoying it to a point. I just wish you'd expound on your arguments a bit.

SKYW is not going to get jumbo RJ's or mainline sized planes. That is simply not in their manifest destiny, unless they kill off their existing gravy train code shares and try to do it IndyAir style. That they could at least attempt that. But we all know how that would end.

DL (and UAL and SKYW and many others) own their codes. Its already bought and paid for in their contracts, which never expire, and that aspect of it is not going to change short of a massive "self help" nuclear option by management trying to re-crew an airline with scabs during a legal work stoppage. But that's not going to happen either.

Managements, CEO's, BOD's, shareholders or aircraft manufacturers aren't going to change that. The only other way for it to happen would be if the pilot groups who own their code willingly gave it up, or if a bankruptcy court voided it. While theoretically possible, neither will happen either.

You can maybe be excused for getting lost in the moment of SKYW's meteoric rise from 30 to 50 to 70 to 90 seaters, always growing always reaching for the stars, etc. But that trend vector ends here. You've reached your service ceiling. The only way to continue is to get mainline code for things you are not allowed to fly without going it alone, and that almost definitely won't happen. If it does, best of luck.

But it won't happen within DL, UAL, SWA, AA or many other codes, nor will it happen with them subsidizing them while they attempt it, because their respective pilot groups will not permit it. That is their exclusive decision, because they own and control who flies their code, and what exact terms they do so.

I'm sorry if that makes you feel dabbed on.
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Old 12-05-2016 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Delta would lose a few but retain most. They have a bit of clout in the Atlanta area.
Okay, Skywest starts operating the MRJ for Alaska, Alaska scope is the lulz, and Delta pilots file a grievance causing DAL to drop Skywest. Skywest then leases its 27 owned gates in ATL to NAI/ME3, now what? It would be monumentally stupid to cancel your agreement with Skywest under these circumstances.
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