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Old 12-01-2016, 11:32 AM
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So basically the majors have SkyWest by the balls and are squeezing hard. And it sounds like SkyWest has no leverage to counter them.

Honestly, does anyone think that if they didn't have a weight clause forced on them they would suddenly start flying 737s/A320s and compete against their partners?
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Old 12-01-2016, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Ordell View Post
So basically the majors have SkyWest by the balls and are squeezing hard. And it sounds like SkyWest has no leverage to counter them.

Honestly, does anyone think that if they didn't have a weight clause forced on them they would suddenly start flying 737s/A320s and compete against their partners?
It's happened before. Didn't end well for the regional involved.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:08 PM
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It's happened before. Didn't end well for the regional involved.
Indy went solo in the worst aviation economic environment in history. That said, the share holders at SKY would never allow it, as ASA's are basically free money.
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Old 12-01-2016, 12:12 PM
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The Expressjet branded flying didn't work out too well either, timing is everything.
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Old 12-01-2016, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JLAMS16 View Post
You sound like a fun guy Gloopy.........
Thanks! Scope is the most important part of any pilot contract. It is literally career and profession defining. This profession wouldn't be any fun if airline managements had unlimited ability to shop every plane around to the lowest bidder constantly. Scope = stability = earnings = fun.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
Indy went solo in the worst aviation economic environment in history. That said, the share holders at SKY would never allow it, as ASA's are basically free money.
The other side of that is existing airlines have never been in a better position to play ruthless hardball with any recalcitrant upstart.
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Old 12-01-2016, 02:30 PM
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That would actually be a Mcd's product. Most chains will vary their menu across the globe to meet local food tastes. Ever been to mcdonalds in asia? Not the same, at all.
Yes, but the point is, as a franchisee, the original corporate company dictates whats on the menu whether it be Big Macs in the US or Sushi Burgers in Japan.

Its mutually beneficial to both parties. The franchisee gets to easily sell a well known, viable product without doing much marketing and the corporate parent collects royalites without having to manage the restaraunt.
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Old 12-01-2016, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bnkangle View Post
Yes, but the point is, as a franchisee, the original corporate company dictates whats on the menu whether it be Big Macs in the US or Sushi Burgers in Japan.

Its mutually beneficial to both parties. The franchisee gets to easily sell a well known, viable product without doing much marketing and the corporate parent collects royalites without having to manage the restaraunt.
RIP inventor of Big Mack passed today. McDonald's awarded him a plaque for his sandwich.
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Old 12-01-2016, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
Thanks! Scope is the most important part of any pilot contract. It is literally career and profession defining. This profession wouldn't be any fun if airline managements had unlimited ability to shop every plane around to the lowest bidder constantly. Scope = stability = earnings = fun.
How'd you guys do holding the line on WB scope in TA16? I know you think it's just 48.5 to 46.5 and may not be a problem at all (i read your DL forum post and have lots of DL friends), but if the company didn't want it and didn't see upside to it (for them, not you), they wouldn't have stuck it in there. At least there won't be more jumbo RJs flying for DCI. That's a plus. Thanks (honestly) for raising the bar for the rest of us with pay. I just wish scope, touted by you as the most important part of any pilot contract, wasn't sold...not even one Atlantic crossing a day.
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate View Post
Pilots own what code? Oh yea, they have a vote on their own code.
Here we go again.

How about this: The pilots' collective bargaining agent has a contract with the airline that includes a restriction that specifies all aircraft above a certain weight or with more than a certain number of seats must be flown by those pilots if the flying is done under the code/marketing of the airline for which they fly. Further (in Delta's case) if any regional affiliate exceeds those restrictions, even under another code/fee-for-departure agreement, they may no longer fly under a regional affiliate/codeshare/fee for departure with that airline.

Not ownership of a "code." More than a vote. A contractual restriction.
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