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Old 02-21-2007 | 10:25 PM
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Got from another forum:

Here are a few good talking points...


When you see a Pilot, they're not getting paid.

When you see a pilot going through the same security you go through, he's not being paid.

When you see a pilot walking in the terminal, he's not being paid.

When you see a pilot at the gate pulling up paper work, planning the flight, and conferring with the agent, he's not being paid.

When you see a pilot walking around the aircraft doing a preflight inspection, he's not being paid.

When you board the aircraft and look in the cockpit and see the pilots setting up the aircraft, they're not getting paid.

When you land safely at your destination and walk off the aircraft and see the pilots shutting down the aircraft, they're not being paid.

When you see a pilot waiting for a ride to a hotel for the night, he's not being paid.

The only time the pilot of your aircraft is getting paid is when you DON"T see him...when he's locked behind the cockpit door as you push back from the gate. Every thing else he does until this point is for free, for no wages. Nothing!

The average airline pilot is at work for 12- 14 hours per day, yet gets paid for less than 6 - 7 hours.

The average airline pilot is away from home, at work, for 70+ hours a week, yet gets paid for only 15 to 18 hours per weeks work.

Most pilots schedules have them working 15 days or more a month... that means they are not at home half the month.

Holidays, weekends, birthdays, anniversaries, summer vacations.... not at home.

A majority of pilots have 4-year college degrees, or more. Then they begin training as pilots.

A large majority of Pilots have spent 8 years or more flying in the military, risking their lives and protecting your freedom for wages most of you wouldn't accept in the civilian world.

Civilian trained pilots have spent $50,000 or more to acquire the training that qualifies them for a Regional Airline job, which pays a wage less than the poverty level in most western countries.

Most pilots do not attain the required experience level to be hired by a major airline until they are well passed the age of 30. The average age of a new hire airline pilot is 32.

Airline pilots are subject to random drug and alcohol testing, any time they are at work. Fail it and they lose their job.

Airline pilots are required to undergo rigorous re-training and certification every 6 to 9 months, at which time they could fail and lose their jobs, licenses and livelihood.

Airline pilots are required to submit to random government "Line checks" during which their license could be revoked and livelihood destroyed.

Airline pilots are exposed to radiation levels far exceeding the normal safe radiation limits mandated by the FDA.

Airline pilots are required to submit to a government medical examination every 6 months (Captains) and 12 months as First Officers. Year after year. Fail that, and their career is over.

How many of you go to work where people try to kill you? How many of you have had your office turned into a cruise missile? How many of you work behind a bullet proof door?

How many of you are responsible for the lives of 200- 300 people, with any small mistake in your performance resulting in the death of your customers (and yourselves), and the financial destruction of your company?

How many of your jobs require you to fight your way through thunderstorms, rain, snow, ice and turbulence, day and night, year after year? No mistakes allowed? The excuse " I had a bad day at work" never accepted?

Many pilots volunteer (on their own time and own dime) to be trained as Federal Flight Deck Officers, and carry weapons to defend their aircraft, crew and passengers. They maintain their proficiency and qualifications twice a year on their own time and money.

How many of you go to work where you are searched, patted down and your personal items scrutinized by strangers.


Airline pilot pay scales and hours worked are usually posted by absurdly overcompensated managers who are waging a PR campaign against their Pilot Unions and trying to justify their own greedy bonus's while asking for lower labor costs.



We want our money back...
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Old 02-22-2007 | 05:05 AM
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Well said !!!!
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Old 02-22-2007 | 05:20 AM
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Somebody should post that in the security lines at the airports. Particulary AMR's with their contract coming up.
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Old 02-22-2007 | 05:29 AM
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I posted that on FI and got some **** from it from some Eagle and Flight Instructors that thought what we make is just fine. Go read it on FI , thread called Pilot Pay
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Old 02-22-2007 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
I posted that on FI and got some **** from it from some Eagle and Flight Instructors that thought what we make is just fine. Go read it on FI , thread called Pilot Pay
The CFIs will learn soon enough. Just sigh and shake your head. It is just another sad symptom of the dreaded Shiny Jet Syndrome.
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Old 02-22-2007 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
I posted that on FI and got some **** from it from some Eagle and Flight Instructors that thought what we make is just fine. Go read it on FI , thread called Pilot Pay

You mean people that work at American Eagle? I don't belong to FI
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Old 02-22-2007 | 06:02 AM
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Seems like a lot of pilots feel this way Window. So why doesn't the situation change?
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Old 02-22-2007 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ERJ135
You mean people that work at American Eagle? I don't belong to FI
Yes, there was just one prick, but we have those at every company. Point is that it is sad that there are pilots out there that think that what we make is just fine. I had people tell me to find another job if I didn't like it. I love what I do, I just think we should make more regionals and majors.

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Old 02-22-2007 | 07:47 AM
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This should be printed in a USA Today ad. I wonder what the cost is.
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Old 02-22-2007 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by G-Dog
This should be printed in a USA Today ad. I wonder what the cost is.
I'd pitch some money in for that.
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