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HighFlight 02-14-2017 10:07 AM

If your theory is correct, tell me how we go about changing the current scope of flying we have?


Originally Posted by Flightcap (Post 2301517)
Mainline pilots don't need to give of what they have for regional pilots to increase their standards of living. Regional pilots can fight for and win substantial gains in today's environment simply because there are not very many of them. This has little or nothing to do with mainline union policy. The mainline unions become important when there is a glut of regional pilots and their management is looking for ways to exploit that glut.


Flightcap 02-14-2017 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2301550)
If your theory is correct, tell me how we go about changing the current scope of flying we have?

That's not the issue to which I was referring. What I took from your post was the idea that gains in QOL, pay, etc. are pointless and nigh impossible at the regional level. If this were true, Republic's contract which significantly improved our pay and quality of life would have not been possible. Nor would Endeavor's retention bonuses. Nor would the wave of increased pay and leverage which regional pilots are currently enjoying have happened. None of that is due to action by mainline pilots. It is all due to a lack of pilots at the regional level. If mainline were to relax scope it would exacerbate that problem. If they were to tighten it the increase in jobs at mainline would be a step in the right direction. Therefore while it is true that we have little or no control over our flying, the fact that it is not easily shifted to another carrier works in our favor. Again, in this environment. If another 2001 or 2008 happens, not so much.

msprj2 02-14-2017 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Flightcap (Post 2301606)
That's not the issue to which I was referring. What I took from your post was the idea that gains in QOL, pay, etc. are pointless and nigh impossible at the regional level. If this were true, Republic's contract which significantly improved our pay and quality of life would have not been possible. Nor would Endeavor's retention bonuses. Nor would the wave of increased pay and leverage which regional pilots are currently enjoying have happened. None of that is due to action by mainline pilots. It is all due to a lack of pilots at the regional level. If mainline were to relax scope it would exacerbate that problem. If they were to tighten it the increase in jobs at mainline would be a step in the right direction. Therefore while it is true that we have little or no control over our flying, the fact that it is not easily shifted to another carrier works in our favor. Again, in this environment. If another 2001 or 2008 happens, not so much.

Partly true.
We all have some say in how our regional airline does. Things like bogus
sick calls, customer service, Being on time to A/C to catch small problems
to make on time departures, flying "slow" to make money. These small
items can add up to increase costs. It reduces the benefit of subcontracting.

moflyer 02-15-2017 05:19 PM

I made over $100, 000 at SkyWest last year. I'm on year 12 pay, I drop as much as I can and work as little as possible.

stbloc 02-15-2017 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by moflyer (Post 2302555)
I made over $100, 000 at SkyWest last year. I'm on year 12 pay, I drop as much as I can and work as little as possible.

Amen brother!

Battlinbear21 02-16-2017 02:55 AM

Def possible. Looking back at my W-2 from 4 years ago I honestly do not know how I survived... On 9 year pay & made 131 flying a 37 seat turboprop until sept then switched jet. Had to grind since that flow is creeping up on me quick. Not looking fwd to the massive pay cut and rsv life, and def a commute. QOL is paramount.

amcnd 02-16-2017 03:42 AM

Problem is regionals back in the mid 90's were 95% props with a max earnings of around 60-70k a year. Now fast foward to the 76 seat RJ's. You can earn $150k flying nice equipment... hard to leave that...

John Carr 02-16-2017 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by tinman1 (Post 2301190)
Just depends on how much time you are willing to invest in a second class career at the regionals. You can make that as a captain with enough longevity at most regionals (if they even exist in several years) or you could strive for a legacy and make that as an FO within a couple of years.


Originally Posted by B200 Hawk (Post 2301200)
Not that I have a desire to stay at the regionals but why call them a "second class career." It's the same as any other job flying a plane and getting a check.

You quoted him, but you DIDNT read his post.

Correct, it's the SAME JOB, totally different career.

As evidenced by this thread, and my own career, sure you can do well as an RJ CA. Till the flying shifts, till the flying is taken away, or whatever else reason that's caused (insert regional here) to downsize or flat out go away.

But the career goes well past THE JOB.

Retirement, time off, how hard you have to work, job security, progression, choice of airframes/flying, what have you.

bigtime209 02-16-2017 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2302700)
Problem is regionals back in the mid 90's were 95% props with a max earnings of around 60-70k a year. Now fast foward to the 76 seat RJ's. You can earn $150k flying nice equipment... hard to leave that...

Not hard to leave that for a legacy. Not hard at all. Unless you're close to retirement.

stbloc 02-16-2017 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2302775)
Not hard to leave that for a legacy. Not hard at all. Unless you're close to retirement.

but some might live in base and don't want to go to the bottom and commute. Yes you might make 50k more. But after taxes it might not be worth it. HaRd to put a price on quality of life. I personally would be happier with 120 vs 170 living in base. Now if the legacy in my base hires me then that's another story. Of course age has a big factor in all this too


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