Pretty much, yes. Spirit's network caused minimal disruption. My bet says no release for RAH. The NMB is on managements side.

Stop trying to blame everyone else and look at our pilot group. Like 2000 members and there were 3 questions last Thursday. Today some one asked, “what happens on Thursdays”?We had 7 ExCo positions open and only 7 were willing to “run”. They weren’t elected, they were appointed. Because, in the end no pilot at RAH really gives a #0D0D0D]We (the IBT) has got to be the least responsable organization I’ve ever seen, every thing is always some one elses fault, we’re mean when we don’t have to be and we lie when the truth is easier. And we expect the company to respond positively?

Keep blaming BB, WH, RH, FAPA, MEA, the arbitrator, scheduling, the mediator and who ever you can dream up. If it seems like EVERYONE is against us, is it possible that the problem isn’t with them but with us? Keep up the whining, it’s worked so well so far, as has our NC.


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Did you run last election? Did you ask a question on the call? Pot meet kettle. You say that all people are doing is placing blame elsewhere, what are you doing but placing blame on the union. Is IBT perfect, hell no...I have some serious beef with certain aspects. Don't come on ere and complain about unity when you are the one selling your fellow pilots out.

Different situation. Comair only flew for Delta and was smaller than RAH. RAH flies for all 4 legacies and is much larger. Throw in an election in November and it's clear that the NMB won't release RAH. The political pressure against the NMB will be immense

The NMB is bent to begin with. :cool:

Im in the same boat. I have a shuttle class in july and a gojet class in september. With everything going on, I dont know which to choose.

Only you can decide this. Until this blows over, there is a degree of uncertainty regarding your immediate future.

If RAH goes to a strike the picket line will probably include the schoolhouse. BB & co are not above taking hostages. You do have some protections under the RLA; they can't fire pilots to pressure the union and they can't fire you for honoring a picket line. They can claim they cancelled a class for economic reasons. If that does happen, your reinstatement will (most likely) be addressed in an eventual TA if there is not a strike or a back to work agreement if there is.

Once it does blow over, there is likely very little difference in life on the line between the two airlines.

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Addendum:

If it does go to a strike, the picket line around the schoolhouse will probably become a moot point as they will almost certainly cancel classes. Again, though, pilots affected by this will probably be included in a back to work agreement.

We miss you...

...nice.


me too.

What about those that are in aircraft training at another location like Flight Safety? Do you think they would cancel those classes? I wouldn't think so. Just curious.

Just guessing here. And of course this is all dependent on whether there is a strike. Not a sure thing.

Initial training classes would be cancelled wherever they are and at whatever phase, whether indoc, systems or sim, and the trainees sent home. Any classes that are not cancelled would be on the far side of the picket line, though and off the edge of the map, in the place where it says "Here Be Monsters."

Return to training would be covered by a back to work agreement.

Recurrent and PC for established pilots might be different, however those classes would also be on the far side so I doubt anyone would attend.

I miss my former colleagues. A lot. I do not miss RAH.

Let's simplify this...

The union will put out put out what activity is part of the strike, if it actually happens. If you get fired following what is put out by the union, you will 99% for sure be covered in a back to work agreement.

That was back when Delta let one regional dominate a hub. Comair almost shut Cincinnati down. There was no PEB for Comair and this was under the Bush administration. Someone went in and told Bush Comair was on strike and he said Comair who?

Same thing will happen with RP. Nobody knows or cares who Republic is. Passengers will be re routed with no problem, even in an election year. Do you seriously think the Obama Labor Dept is going to go against the wishes of the Teamsters and the AFL CIO? Who do you think is manning the phone banks for Obama for America?

I worked at Comair and remember several people saying the same thing because Comair dominated Delta's second largest hub. Mainlines have prepared for this ever since the Comair strike. Like I said, this is huge for Republic people, but in the big picture you're a pretty small fish compared to the national transportation system.

RAH...You're next Regional Airline Ch. 11 filing. HOPE that it doesn't happen, but if past events in the regional sector predict the future. I'd say it is likely if hypothetically the pilots get an amended contract with most of their demands intact...Regional airline shell game 101...rinse and repeat...GET out if you can, it isn't worth it...

You sir are correct. We will get hosed in the long run...the only winners in this "regional" game are those willing or able to work for free and no scheduling rules. The circle of life is almost complete here at RAH.

Yes, what he said. Ask the guys and gals at Comair and Pinnacle how the expensive CBA's are working out. Mainline has learned not to put all it's eggs in one basket... I hope it resolves 11th hour with something both parties can live with.

The fixed fee side of RAH has the highest profit margin of any airline in the US...unfortunately they can hide in the losses from the other side. That said, if they can't pay me a decent wage to work for them...and I'm talking FO's in the 55k range and up, than they don't need to be in business. I'm not voting for anything that isn't a gigantic leap towards making this industry one I which we are respected and paid as the professionals that we are. This is my second airline, 6th year in this game, first time getting to voting on a CBA and I'll be damned of I'll vote in anything that is a regression or continuance of the crap we get. Now. Again, their job as management is to figure out how to make money with my new pay rate...it's a job that they get paid VERY well to do. I'm sure they will manage.

Plenty of history to paint where this could go. Hoping for the best, but my family has been airline for 3 generations and I have lived the worst. Nothing like seeing your Dad jobless at midlife and a "Legacy" airline vanish. People's lives forever changed that didn't even have a dog in the fight. S'ok we gotta get ours, right? It's a gamble. Again, I hope it works out for everyone. I think a 50% pay raise would be unlikely given the state of things, but I will take it. I can save up for my unemployment...

I'm sure just about everyone at Republic has at least the foundations of a backup plan if things go any further south in this cluster. Anyone there with more than a few months on property is sure to be tired of management's poor-mouthing, and is willing to fight to see reasonable wages and work rules in return for the service they provide. Republic may well find itself another entry in the annals of failed airlines some time in the future, but it won't be because their pilots tried to make it a livable place to work. Best of luck to my former co-workers. Fight for every dime. In the "worst" case, there IS life after RAH.

any updates on this?

Are you sure about that?:confused:

Exactly, the rev (BB) has been saying that he has to renogociate terms with the major airline partners, the Chattaqua certificate specifically and they are looking at around 80 mil a year. Sounds much like what pinnacle was saying prior to April 1st and what SKW is currently saying as well...

The NMB has given the Company until the 17th to respond to the request. Surprisingly /sarcasm/, the Company wants to continue negotiations. There is no set date for the NMB to release a decision.

Here's an interesting slideshow about RAH from the 2012 Global Transportation Conference;

SEC Filings

Ha. That was like listening to cla door to door vacumn salesman.

Nothing could be further from the truth. I don’t know who you’ve been talking to or being spoon fed by but the CPA and FFD part of RAH has slowly seen their margins decline to negative. Have you read the information the Company put out about the maintenance cost and the inability of our CPA’s to keep maintenance cost below that which the CPA allows?

You think if oil goes above $100 a barrel that there will be ANY ≤ 50 seaters flying in America?

As far as your extensive experience, you’ve GTBSM! Six loooong years in the industry and 2 whole “airlines” and you’re an expert in representing and demanding the decline of the Aviation industry over the past 30 (or more) years reverse itself? With our little contract, our little airplanes and our low-time, entitled pilots?

One day you’ll look back and see how embarrassing your statement is.

You have absolutely NO clue as to the history of your chosen profession or what constituted “paying your dues!”

I have many friends that have worked for a dozen airlines over a 30 year profession (still flying) and have tens of thousands of hours, some of which may actually end up junior to you one day..

They flew big airplanes with all those little dials and gauges around the world before you were born and before there was one TV screen to stare at the entire flight.

The “good old days” are gone, forever. Like when you sat sideways for 10 years and right seat for another 10 years before you were even close to the left seat. And you're stressed and feel treated unfairly with your whole 6 years.

Go on and enjoy the next 10, 20 30 or 40 years. You’ll go through several airlines, “get screwed by management” and by whatever unions you end up belonging to.

Considering that Jet fuel has been over $100.00 for quite sometime now I will have to say that the 50 seaters will be flying for a few more years!

Jet Fuel - Daily Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi
*42 gallons in an Oil Barrel.

RAH is in need to find a home for Frontier, they are making themselfs as attractive as possible. It seems Regionals will make trip down the Bankruptcy court just like their mainline partners have done over the last decade to iron contracts and shed unwanted leases!

i thought there were restrictions to managment lackeys joining this site

Where to start...

The margins are dragged down by the Chq/Republic birds flying Frontier as the books are being manipulated to show low costs to Frontier and high costs to FFD (makes F9 look better to help try to sell it). The majority FFD flying is 70+ seat which are making quite a bit of money. This assertion that it is the highest profit magin in the airline world came out of the last union update.

As for not having a clue as to the history of my career, wrong buddy. I know all about the Gordon Bethunes, Frank Lorenzos, Juan Trippes, Howard Hughes, etc of this industry. I appriciate your ingnorant remark that my 6 years in the industry doesn't allow me the ability to say that I will not be a part of voting in a contract that continues the demise of my career. Obviously your vast unspecified experience that makes you so wise means that you have been doing this a while and have been part of making this a horrible career...thanks! To state that the "good old days" are gone forever, it may not be 727's and white hatted Clipper Capts flying around, but I want to reverse the way things are going and get back to some semblance of a career. As for paying my dues, the years of 10 years sitting as a FE, 10 as an FO, etc in your example....well, there is a difference. Those 20 years of paying your dues were spent at an airline that treated you well and payed you a livable wage. Now it is spend 2-3 (now 6-7) years as a welfare child (regional FO), then upgrade, get some time and get on with a real airline....so yes, I feel that I have paid a few dues. I'd take 10 years as an FE anyday if it meant getting paid enough to raise a family on.

Anyway, I'll stick by my statement...I will not vote for a contract that will continue the regression of being a pilot. I will only vote for a contract that does take a step in taking it back....if that makes me a fool, call me a fool. Someone has to start the movement, and this pilot group is poised, ****ed, and ready to start taking it back from management.

Why don't you cease pontificating on these boards like you are some know-it-all airline veteran. I don't care how long you've been in this industry, the mere fact that you come on here bad mouthing the very same pilots you sit next to every day at work makes you pathetic. You try to sound like you know what you are talking about but you come across as someone WAY out of his/her league. Stop embarrassing yourself.

There is not an airline on the planet that bases their fuel price on the formula you used.

Labor uses WTI Crude, Management uses Brent (because it’s higher).

In the past 5 years there have been a total of roughly 12 months out of those 60 months that WTI Crude has been over $100/bbl.

WTI Crude was over $100/bbl between:

February 28, 2008 and September 30, 2008 = 7 months,
March 2, 2011 and May 4, 2011 = 2 months,
February 13, 2012 and May 3, 2012 = ~3 months.

It hovered between $95 and just over $100/bbl between November 4, 2011 and February 10, 2012 (3 months)

I don’t know what you’re saying about BK, but I think, if we get the contract we hold out for or strike for, the next step will be BK for at least a portion of RAH.

There are no 70+ seat aircraft operating under Branded operations, except the 190’s. And, the 190’s are driving the Branded side CASM up. That means there are hurting the Branded side financially. The Branded side would do better without the 190’s and a fleet of only A319’s and 320’s.

SEC Filings

Slide 13

So the first part of your post is inaccurate and you completely believe our union when they say “…that it is the highest profit magin in the airline world…”, once again they are raising expectations within our pilot group and I’m afraid we’re all going to be disappointed by the final outcome.

And you truly believe if we get $55/hr for an FO at RAH, that it would actually have any effect on your ‘desire?’

Um...it'd be a hell of a step in the right direction. Is it the End all, no....but it is a change in the right direction.

Agreed. In what year of service do you envision getting $55/hr? Can't be year one, so is it year 2, 3, 4 or more, or our new 36.62?

Its best to just leave 3662 alone. Ignore him and he'll go away. No one is going to "win" an argument here. He is without question a management mole trying to ruffle everyones feathers. Just ignore him and he'll go away. He and his other screen names can have their own conversation.

exactly, just add him to your ignore list.

Yeah, good advice. Just ignore common sense and logic. If you don't like the message and can't win the debate, it's best to just ignore.

Common sense and logic? The guy takes everything management says as fact. Im not a big union guy, but rah mangement has been caught in more lies than i care to talk about. If you want to debate certain aspects of both sides, go for it. Coming on here acting like bedford only speaks the truth and ibt only lies is just pathetic. Saying that, 3662 is either a management mole or a pilot lacking intelligence. Which ever he is, debating with him is pointless and a waste of time. You cant teach stupid.

...kinda like you believing when F9 is spun off or sold, the pilots will go with the planes and be magically merged with the buying company's pilots. You are the king of la-la land nonsense.

Stinky, I thought you were better than that. You took the bait, the line and sinker. Of course, you have to tie in F9. I am disappointed in you on this one. Back to the topic PLEASE!

Now I must respond. If we do not go with the planes than I will gladly take a captain seat away from an RAH pilot.(NOT!) We are one happy family are we not? The IBT has F9 pilots best interests right?
If F9 did not have that wonderful 7 year fence would you gladly take an F9 pilots seat? That is the real question?
Stinky, there is bait on the hook. Go for it!