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Serious question, no flame intended:
Assuming it gets this far, which is admittedly a large assumption, but assuming it does, should the release be approved and should it actually come to a strike, what will the native Frontier guys consider to be struck work? |
Originally Posted by Hetman
(Post 1228425)
Serious question, no flame intended:
Assuming it gets this far, which is admittedly a large assumption, but assuming it does, should the release be approved and should it actually come to a strike, what will the native Frontier guys consider to be struck work? |
Originally Posted by Hetman
(Post 1228425)
Serious question, no flame intended: Assuming it gets this far, which is admittedly a large assumption, but assuming it does, should the release be approved and should it actually come to a strike, what will the native Frontier guys consider to be struck work? I guess I'd feel that any route that has never had an Airbus fly it would be considered a RAH route. What are your thoughts? The irony, of course, is that many of the routes that Frontier and RAH fly used to be Midwest routes, flown under their contract, which is an issue in front of Arbitrator Bloch as we speak. It's a mess out there............. |
So what is the status? Are you guys getting released or not?
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I'm surprised someone hasn't outed this guy yet. Sounds like management for sure, but once you guys get the contract you deserve he will disappear. I hear moral his horrible over there now, and as usual management has no idea how bad it is. Close the doors if they cant pay you an industry leading contract.
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If it comes to a strike, the RAH union will declare what is and what isn't struck work. It is the question of the decade in terms of what constitutes struck work for a regional. If this month the 6am CMH-LGA is on Shuttle America, and next week it is on Comair...and Shuttle strikes...is it struck work? Is it by city pair, time, flight number...the answers will be interesting!!
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you are a real POS.
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36.62 god help you if we find out who you are.
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Whatever his deal is, this guy is just reaching for a reaction. Ignore the child & he will disappear.
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Originally Posted by 3662forlife
(Post 1228727)
So, on the big conference call today…
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Alright...calling al computer nerds. I'll throw in $20 to the first person who can dig me up an identity for 36.62....check your IP addresses, all I want is his real name. I'm sure others would pitch in as well.
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Well, he can't be BB, because there is no religious reference.
He can't be RH because he's not intelligent enough to be RH. He can't be AO because he talks too fast. JC got fired years ago over a flight attendant scandal so it's not him. HC took his $$millions and bolted shortly after the great F9 experiment began so he is out. Who else? |
Originally Posted by Emb170man
(Post 1228700)
If it comes to a strike, the RAH union will declare what is and what isn't struck work. It is the question of the decade in terms of what constitutes struck work for a regional. If this month the 6am CMH-LGA is on Shuttle America, and next week it is on Comair...and Shuttle strikes...is it struck work? Is it by city pair, time, flight number...the answers will be interesting!!
A different airline flying our routes during a strike is just fine. A scab will not be born unless they are operating a flight that generates revenue for RAH during a strike. It would be impossible to define what routes would be considered struck work with how things work anyway. Simple way to put it is if you operate a flight that generates revenue for RAH, you are flying struck work. F9 would be the exception to that. |
Originally Posted by Emb170man
(Post 1228852)
Alright...calling al computer nerds. I'll throw in $20 to the first person who can dig me up an identity for 36.62....check your IP addresses, all I want is his real name. I'm sure others would pitch in as well.
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Originally Posted by Emb170man
(Post 1228852)
Alright...calling al computer nerds. I'll throw in $20 to the first person who can dig me up an identity for 36.62....check your IP addresses, all I want is his real name. I'm sure others would pitch in as well.
No I'm not going to bust his kneecaps or key his car, but if this douche-nozzle is someone I'm sitting next to on a regular basis...I want to know it. There is an avoid list for a reason! He is subverting the unions ability to communicate with its members because everything the union tells us, in confidence, he blasts to the world. I can't get decent concise communication from my union. Because if it is sent out, it will be posted here for the world to see in minutes by a certain user named 36.62. So while no physical harm will come to him (on my part I can guarantee that), that doesn't mean that his life can't be turned into a living hell otherwise. Oh, most people who work for RAH already know who I am...as for everyone else, don't care for them to...this is an INTERNAL issue that is unfortunately being drug into an external board. |
36.62......
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Originally Posted by Emb170man
(Post 1228700)
If it comes to a strike, the RAH union will declare what is and what isn't struck work. It is the question of the decade in terms of what constitutes struck work for a regional. If this month the 6am CMH-LGA is on Shuttle America, and next week it is on Comair...and Shuttle strikes...is it struck work? Is it by city pair, time, flight number...the answers will be interesting!!
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Originally Posted by Emb170man
(Post 1228700)
If it comes to a strike, the RAH union will declare what is and what isn't struck work. It is the question of the decade in terms of what constitutes struck work for a regional. If this month the 6am CMH-LGA is on Shuttle America, and next week it is on Comair...and Shuttle strikes...is it struck work? Is it by city pair, time, flight number...the answers will be interesting!!
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As a former RAH pilot that spend 5 long years there, I say give em he11 boys. I left for the corporate world and will NEVER fly for the airlines again. I negotiated my starting pay at the interview and have more days off than I know what to do with. Again, stick it to BB for what you deserve or go the corporate route. I suggest the latter.;)
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Alright...calling al computer nerds. I'll throw in $20 to the first person who can dig me up an identity for 36.62....check your IP addresses, all I want is his real name. I'm sure others would pitch in as well. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1229485)
.....If a Chautauqua flight is replaced by a Comair flight due to a strike, I would not consider it struck work. Republic is not getting any money from that flight. Comair is getting the money. Punishing Delta and your code share partners is not the objective. Your objective is to punish Republic until you get a contract. That said, if your union does say it's struck work, I would not fly it. Not worth it to me.
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Originally Posted by sticky
(Post 1229529)
...ummmm...yes that is struck work. It doesnt matter who "gets the money". Smart thinking though on not flying it....cause it wont be worth it. Modern flight tracking makes spotting scab work easier now days...and with connections at other airlines, itd be easy to get the names of who flew what.
United flies an AVERAGE of an Airbus (mainline), 2 E170s(Republic) and an E145 (XJET) between ORD and ATL. This changes daily and month to month. Who's to say if Republic strikes, United replaces those 2 E170s with an Airbus. Are those mainline pilots scabs? What about if they replace them with 2 E145s flown by XJET? Are those guys scabs? What's the difference? |
The UAL pilots, Frontier pilots etc. are not scabs at all. Different CBA's. If I was covering a flight that CHQ flew for UAL, then yes that would be considered struck work. If I fly a trip that RAH flies for F9 and if we fly it as well with an Airbus then I would not consider that struck work as well. Do you think that UAL pilots or any other of the legacies that you fly for are not going to fly those trips that you do not fly on their behalf?
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Originally Posted by Bolo
(Post 1229640)
The UAL pilots, Frontier pilots etc. are not scabs at all. Different CBA's. If I was covering a flight that CHQ flew for UAL, then yes that would be considered struck work. If I fly a trip that RAH flies for F9 and if we fly it as well with an Airbus then I would not consider that struck work as well. Do you think that UAL pilots or any other of the legacies that you fly for are not going to fly those trips that you do not fly on their behalf?
For one, I would never know the difference if I was flying a flight that was once Republic's. Second, if I did know the difference, I cannot/ will not refuse it. The goal is not to punish United, it is to punish Republic management. The very fact that they won't make any money by us flying that leg, means it is not struck work. If United tells us to fly it, we have to. Now, IF Republic management called up XJET management and said, "hey, we got this flying that needs to be covered and we'll go splitsies on the $$." Then, yes, that would be struck work and I would have basis to refuse it. |
If there is a strike (big if) it will last days or maybe a week or two. After that RAH would be bankrupt. Flight schedules are published way outside this type of time frame. Very easy to see who is scheduled to operate the ORD-SDF 1030am departure on Aug. 15. The union will look for any change of frequency or gauge to determine what is struck work.
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Originally Posted by Emb170man
(Post 1228852)
Alright...calling al computer nerds. I'll throw in $20 to the first person who can dig me up an identity for 36.62....check your IP addresses, all I want is his real name. I'm sure others would pitch in as well. I like the way you think, you should apply to Seabury. For 50k, I'll out myself, go to work and 2 months later hire an attorney to pursue a hostile work environment lawsuit and retire! Everyone's happy! |
Originally Posted by DENpilot
(Post 1229628)
Your kidding, right?
United flies an AVERAGE of an Airbus (mainline), 2 E170s(Republic) and an E145 (XJET) between ORD and ATL. This changes daily and month to month...
Originally Posted by Bolo
(Post 1229640)
The UAL pilots, Frontier pilots etc. are not scabs at all. Different CBA's. If I was covering a flight that CHQ flew for UAL, then yes that would be considered struck work. If I fly a trip that RAH flies for F9 and if we fly it as well with an Airbus then I would not consider that struck work as well. Do you think that UAL pilots or any other of the legacies that you fly for are not going to fly those trips that you do not fly on their behalf?
The USairways flying between LGA and DCA is flown exclusively by USairways, it is not struck work. The USairways flying between MHT and DCA is mostly RAH, with a mix of Wisconsin and PSA. The departure flight times operated RAH is struck work. The departure flight times operated by AWI and PSA is not struck work. |
Your mainline partners probably already have a plan for those flights anyway. It is not your flying anyways. It is USAiRS/Delta flying. It is not RAH flying. You guys will be the next comair. Your only leverage is to hurt your companies pocket book. That is it. Mainline can and will replace that flying. It could be a RJ or a airbus.
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Wow, 11 pages of nuance regarding a strike that will never happen.
I truly feel for the guys flying the line at RAH, you deserve a better CBA. When all is said and done, your group will probably set a record for years between amendable date and ratification. That is not something to be proud of. I can't believe there is not more of an uproar from the rank and file demanding more action. I read the PDU's and Negotiating committee updates and they sound like a High School student council debate. Childish name calling will get you nothing, and nothing is what you currently have. Your Union let you believe that you would have a new CBA by last Christmas. Remember all of the excitement back when they were interviewed by the Local press in November 2011? Your Union is still letting you believe that you will acheive something close to JBLU 190 rates. Your Union is still letting you believe that they have some ace up their sleeve and you will be released to strike. Your Union is still letting you believe that the result of a strike will be the CBA of your dreams. I wish you all the best, I really do. I have participated in more than one CPA Section 6 negotiation. They are not fun. The combination of poor performance by your leadership and the unrealistic expectations of the rank and file is a recipe for total disaster. What happens if you do get your strike, and your TA, but it falls short of 99% of everyone's "wants"? Your "11th hour" deal may be extremely similar to the deal currently on the table. What are you going to do then? Recall your current leadership while working under yet another inferior CBA for another decade? I would be asking everyone at the IBT Airline Division why Negotiations were halted completely for years. Meanwhile, during that unnecessary delay virtually every 50 seat operator has signed a concessionary deal or is standing on the precipices of BK. You have effectively delayed yourselves into the worst economic environment in aviation history to be negotiating rates for small RJ's. Where is the outrage from the rank and file? Those of us looking on from the sidelines are scratching our heads, asking why you haven't done more for yourselves by now. This October will mark five year of nothing. I know all about BB and Henson and Hellar and how they are the bad guys. Do you honestly think that every other airline has "nicer" leadership? Somehow every other airline, regional, LCC, legacy, can somehow achieve an Agreement while you guys march towards 5 years since your amendable date. I feel bad for you. You deserve better. |
Originally Posted by zoooropa
(Post 1229711)
..I feel bad for you. You deserve better.
The shortcomings of my union is nothing compared to your faux union's nonstop goal to gut our leverage for a better life. |
Originally Posted by zoooropa
(Post 1229711)
Wow, 11 pages of nuance regarding a strike that will never happen.
I truly feel for the guys flying the line at RAH, you deserve a better CBA. When all is said and done, your group will probably set a record for years between amendable date and ratification. That is not something to be proud of. I can't believe there is not more of an uproar from the rank and file demanding more action. I read the PDU's and Negotiating committee updates and they sound like a High School student council debate. Childish name calling will get you nothing, and nothing is what you currently have. Your Union let you believe that you would have a new CBA by last Christmas. Remember all of the excitement back when they were interviewed by the Local press in November 2011? Your Union is still letting you believe that you will acheive something close to JBLU 190 rates. Your Union is still letting you believe that they have some ace up their sleeve and you will be released to strike. Your Union is still letting you believe that the result of a strike will be the CBA of your dreams. I wish you all the best, I really do. I have participated in more than one CPA Section 6 negotiation. They are not fun. The combination of poor performance by your leadership and the unrealistic expectations of the rank and file is a recipe for total disaster. What happens if you do get your strike, and your TA, but it falls short of 99% of everyone's "wants"? Your "11th hour" deal may be extremely similar to the deal currently on the table. What are you going to do then? Recall your current leadership while working under yet another inferior CBA for another decade? I would be asking everyone at the IBT Airline Division why Negotiations were halted completely for years. Meanwhile, during that unnecessary delay virtually every 50 seat operator has signed a concessionary deal or is standing on the precipices of BK. You have effectively delayed yourselves into the worst economic environment in aviation history to be negotiating rates for small RJ's. Where is the outrage from the rank and file? Those of us looking on from the sidelines are scratching our heads, asking why you haven't done more for yourselves by now. This October will mark five year of nothing. I know all about BB and Henson and Hellar and how they are the bad guys. Do you honestly think that every other airline has "nicer" leadership? Somehow every other airline, regional, LCC, legacy, can somehow achieve an Agreement while you guys march towards 5 years since your amendable date. I feel bad for you. You deserve better. So while you are here, tell us all...how are things going at the courthouse? Word is the judge handed you guys yet ANOTHER setback. Things aren't looking too sporty for FAPAInvest and your little "deal" from what it sounds like. Guess you're hoping that the other side has really lousy forensic accountants. That's the problem with good lawyers. They always know the answer to the question before they ask it. And 'ol BB won't throw you under the bus...he'll toss you in the fan stage to save his sorry self. |
So could zooropa be 3662?
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If the ship goes down at least we have the satisfaction of knowing that zooroopa is firmly tethered to the stern.
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Bolo had mentioned a few posts back that United/F9 guys cant be scabs due to different CBA's. If that is true, are those two idiots from Falcon Air that flew struck work for the Spirit strike not under their own CBA? I only ask because those guys actually used the Spirit Wings call sign, which obviously would not happen if United flew a route that was scheduled to be a Shuttle flight. I personally think each of you needs to stop stating what will and will not be struck work until a strike is official and the union has announced what is struck work.
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Originally Posted by SUX4U
(Post 1230131)
Bolo had mentioned a few posts back that United/F9 guys cant be scabs due to different CBA's. If that is true, are those two idiots from Falcon Air that flew struck work for the Spirit strike not under their own CBA? I only ask because those guys actually used the Spirit Wings call sign, which obviously would not happen if United flew a route that was scheduled to be a Shuttle flight. I personally think each of you needs to stop stating what will and will not be struck work until a strike is official and the union has announced what is struck work.
I am waiting to see if and when a strike actually occurs. Then we all can say "I told you so" etc. etc. I guess we will hang out out in the holding pattern see what the NMB has to say. 5+ years and counting. WOW! |
Originally Posted by Bolo
(Post 1230164)
I actually agree with you in the sense of Monday quarterbacking on what is considered struck work.
I am waiting to see if and when a strike actually occurs. Then we all can say "I told you so" etc. etc. I guess we will hang out out in the holding pattern see what the NMB has to say. 5+ years and counting. WOW! Quit acting like 5 years is a new thing. Management stalling in negotiations has been sop for a while now for the regionals. Just ask pinnacle, asa, tsa etc. A union cannot force management to actually negotiate in good faith. I think it was you who has said many times a release would never happen. If it does, would you agree to never post again? |
Originally Posted by sticky
(Post 1229721)
Oh, well how sweet of you. I like you save that little nibble for the end of your continued effort to belittle and discredit our pilot group.
The shortcomings of my union is nothing compared to your faux union's nonstop goal to gut our leverage for a better life. To your last point, if your only leverage is based upon the destruction of my Airline you can go "f" yourself. |
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1229726)
Gather round ladies and gent's! The troll has come out from under the F9 bridge!
So while you are here, tell us all...how are things going at the courthouse? Word is the judge handed you guys yet ANOTHER setback. Things aren't looking too sporty for FAPAInvest and your little "deal" from what it sounds like. Guess you're hoping that the other side has really lousy forensic accountants. That's the problem with good lawyers. They always know the answer to the question before they ask it. And 'ol BB won't throw you under the bus...he'll toss you in the fan stage to save his sorry self. I have been under my bridge for quite some time. There wasn't much of a reason to peak out until I saw the ramblings on this thread. I'm not sure what setback you are referring to, could it be the counts that the magistrate dismissed? You know, the ones about LOA 67 being illegal? Youndomreallize that LOA 67 is no longer in play, right? Forensic accountants! To whom are you referring? Your ex-Enron 145 captain or Robert Mann, the expert that had to go home during the SLI arbitration and flip his own PowerPoint slides 180 degrees so they matched reality. I have also heard your "good lawyer" speech before. Are these the same lawyers that told you that you could go on strike because RAH violated status quo? What happened there? What about the questions I repeatedly asked you last year? No answer yet. You see, to have all the answers as long as they support your IBT vision of the world. What about the tough answers that prove you and your entire organization to hypocritical parasites to the very labor organization that pretend to support? |
How come the frontier pilots keep showing up in the regional forum?
Just saying |
Originally Posted by embraerjetpilot
(Post 1230520)
How come the frontier pilots keep showing up in the regional forum?
Just saying |
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