I'm starting to question exactly what substance you have between your ears, cause it ain't brains. You, Zooropa, do not have an "airline"...you are an employee of RAH assigned to the F9 certificate...no different then the guys assigned to the S5 certificate. Your group assigned the the F9 certificate are not special and deserving of any handouts at the expense of any other pilot at RAH. However, your group of pilots have been bleeding and siphoning (through alleged backroom deals of which the RLA protects) money and resources from RAH as a whole, which in turn limits all the other pilots ability to bargain for a better contract.

You are blind to reality in order to get away with your acts. It is your group which has harmed the operation and could lead to this "destruction" you speak of.

They are most definitely different than the guys assigned to the S5 certificate. They are under a completely different CBA. As far as I know, not one single pre-merger Republic pilot has transferred to the F9 side with his seniority in tact. They are operated as two separate entities...for now.

....so what? They are still employees of airlines whole-owned by RAH and one union governed by the RLA. RW has a DEN base, but S5 does not...does that make them different?

There will be transfers to the F9 certificate while retaining IMSL seniority (rightfully so) soon enough...just need some vacancies.

Two questions.

1) When RAH purchased Frontier and Lynx, they said that a fleet of 12 Q400’s was too small to keep in service and operate profitably.

Now we have 15 E-190’s, if we lose 3 or more of those 15 E-190’s, will RAH decide to shutdown the 190 line?

2) If we get the raises we deserve and/or want, there has been speculation that RAH may take all of the company or a portion of the company into bankruptcy. The obvious choice between the three certificates is CHQ.

Our contract is between RAH and CHQ. If CHQ goes away will S5 or YX (RP) still have a contract with RAH?



In other news, the Judge dismissed the lawsuit regarding “rahcontractnow” by RAH against the IBT. Apparently, the company cannot claim harm while stipulating there is no harm and continue with the lawsuit. (That’s not a direct quote from anyone)

Now the senior guys are telling the junior guys to just suck it up, life as a captain isn’t any better than that of a junior FO. Even the EBoard VP of 357 stated to a disgruntled FO, “The world does need ditch diggers too.”

Guess we’re going to see what the future holds for us as the company’s response to the NMB is due tomorrow. Maybe we’ll be released by Wednesday. Fun times…..

I shouldn't even respond to you however I cannot let this go. Your blatant attemp at spin is laughable. That is a line from the movie Caddyshack. It was a JOKE! Just the fact that you are trying to spin this to make our guys look bad is more proof that you do not have the best interest of your fellow pilots at heart.

You may have a future in politics.

So what? The Frontier first officers make more than the captains on the other certificates. Without a single contract, the IMSL means nothing. See US Airways for an example. You guys really do want to take the Frontier Airbus seats, huh? I don't blame you. The pay disparity is huge. Just don't tell the Frontier pilots you don't want their seats. Your actions speak for themselves.

What does hourly pay have to do with anything? The same thing could be said about Southwest and AirTran.

You think without a single contract, an IMSL means nothing?...that alone shows how little understanding you have. Does your Frontier pilot dad know youre on his computer?

and as soon as the native republic contract is finalized the IBT will begin the process of amalgamating the two contracts. that is why only 4 sections are being negotiatied

Ugh I hope we sell them before this ever has to happen.

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Dude,

You want to talk about “spin” experts, you don’t have to look any further than the IBT, they are master spinners, especially when it comes to communicating with us, their pilot group.

As someone else mentioned, HOW do you keep a straight face and tell them that 5 years on an amendable contract is not out of the ordinary.

Or that our first SLI proposal threw EVERY FO under the bus? Even with all our “experts” and “highly experienced” negotiators, the final SLI heavily favored the senior captains while essentially ending the FO’s careers.

We’ve been paying an assessment for a year to have an attorney involved in the 4 (four) sections we opened and yet nothing new or different has happened from when we didn’t have an attorney involved.

Ever hear of Oliver Wyman or other such consulting groups? Why are we wasting our money on a single attorney when the company brings the entire firm of Ford and Harrison to the table.

We’re basing our financial analysis on an Enron-turned-pilot and Bob Mann?

Have you noticed that the company brings TPG or Seabury to negotiate and analyze the financials? Again, they hire firms, not singular individuals.

Yes, firms cost more than individuals, but I would have rather spent more money for a shorter period of time and gotten a reasonable contract long ago.

People that work for Seabury or Oliver Wyman know each other, have worked opposite sides of the table together in the past and will do so in the future, they have the ability to talk sense to their own clients and get deals done.

Instead, we do it the IBT way….. fist pounding, obstructionism, rhetoric and blame……

Oh and I love CM’s theory that we will “get another bite of the apple” in JCBA negotiations. You really think the company isn’t considering that?

Is it possible that the company won’t give us what we want now because they know we’re just going to ask for more later?

Do you have any idea how long Pinnacle or ASA or TSA went without a contract?

What happens if the company says "No thanks, we'll just wait for the amendable date on your contracts"?

Was something suppose to happen today that would decide if you guys strike or not?

Today was the date set for the company to respond to the NMB about Arbitration. Now we wait until we get a release from the NMB. Then Bedford and Heller will start to negotiate, or pull out the contract that they have had in their desk just waiting for all the RLA negotiations to finally run its course.

You are the life person on this Earth to talk about straight face..

Why don't you copy and paste the part where it was a joke, playing off another post. Selective are we? And if you knew the VP like I do, you would know that he had always played jokes off other posts in the past.

Dude, you obviously have no idea how the Railway Labor Act works. The union could bring in the contract negotiating attorney team equivalent of the OJ Dream Team and it STILL would make no difference in expedited negotiations because the Railway Labor Act spells out SPECIFIC STEPS in the process of contract negotiations. When a mediator is involved it is THEIR show. THEY decide if and when things move forward if both sides are at an impasse, not the company, not Seabury, not F&H, not IBT.

So go read the RLA before you once again show hour inability to understand and debate topics pertaining to labor law in regards to the RLA.

So what was the whole tube sock and D cell battery comment about?! Do you RAH guys even know how stupid you sound? You are the perfect little IBT crony... they must love you.

Stupid and random question that came up at work today.

Do the FA's fly inter-certificate or are they like the pilots and they are assigned and fly on only one certificate?

Not pertinent to the topic of the thread but didn't feel like it needed its own place.

As far as the FAA is concerned, the different certs are three separate airlines. So each airline must have its own dispatchers, fa, pilots, etc. The fa's have one seniority list but must go through indoc each time they switch certs. We even have different checklists and procedures flying the same aircraft because of having different POI's.

I have a few questions: 1) Do you get to choose what cert you want to work on? 2) as a Shuttle pilot, do you fly united and delta flights, or just one.3) And do you get both delta and united travel benefits or just one or the other. 4) How long are people is reserve typically on the Shuttle side?
Thanks

1) when you get hired you get hired for the certificate they need staffing for, so no you don't necessarily get to choose. However, you can turn down up to 3 classes before they give up on you, so you can say no and hope the next offer is the one you want. They do take your preferences into account.

2) You fly both united and delta

3) you get both united and delta travel, although I wouldn't call united travel a benefit (expensive and low priority)

4) right now there are February 12 hires on reserve close to holding a line in Indianapolis

There are April 25th hires in CMH holding a line next month. The united benefits are not expensive anymore. I guess the used to be before the merger. Free in coach and a small charge for first or buisiness.

Plus how much per year?

$0, delta is $50 a year.

Isn't it a $20 charge per leg in coach and $50 per leg in first + taxes for both? Is it really free now? And how do you know how much for first?

I guess it used to be. Go list for a flight now, if it's coach it's free and if it's first it'll tell you how much.

Coach is NOT FREE!!! We've been seeing money out of our checks recently as UAL decided to "catch up" on non-rev adventures. It says $0.00 on the website, but the company will still yank the $20 per segment out of your check.

Travel privileges?

Turn left 20 degrees and rejoin the airway; report established...

What is the word, if any, on the release from mediation.

That's what I thought. So Delta $50 a year unlimited domestic and 6 days int'l without paying a $150 fee is better than United $20 per segment for coach and more for first. I imagine int'l is even more on United.

Republic pilot's request for release denied. You heard it here first. Expect an email from the union in the next day or so.

That sucks guys! Not surprising though!

This is an unfortunate reality for the guys flying the line at RAH. I have read a number of statements from the Local 357 appointed "leadership" including "you don't ask a question if you don't already know the answer".

They like this little gem. They say it over and over and over. When they are not saying it they are writing it and you can just hear the condescending tone dripping off the paper it was written on.

So, who thought they knew the NMB's answer? Was it the Local or the Airline Division?

You have a "president" that is more interested in getting himself a full-time job with the IBT than he will ever be in getting the rank and file a worthy CBA.

You guys deserve so much better.

Has anyone looked into the process for recalling these appointed leaders, or are you going to let this drag on another year, or two, or three?

The AA FA's were put on ice for over one year. That is more than one year without one meeting with the NMB mediators.

When is your next scheduled mediated session?

I have just loved hearing Moffatt say, at every opportunity over the last month, that 357 wouldn't NEVER have requested a "Pro-Offer" (I "think he meant proffer) of arbitration unless they KNEW the outcome of the request.

Some of CM's quotes:

"The Senior Mediator was convinced months ago that we were at an impasse, but it wasn't until the Company stated they needed more time for their Compensation counter proposal that the "Regular Mediator" became aware that there had arrived at an impasse."

"Dan S. talks to the Mediators and NMM regularly."

"There has NEVER been a time that the NMB went against the Mediator's recommendation"

‘There is a lot going on behind the scene by IBT National that will ensure that we prevail.’ Single quotes representing it’s not a direct quote, I don’t think CM uses the word “prevail.”

I vote to fire the entire Negotiating Committee, including Wilder and recall our "appointed" President (there was no election so one can hardly say he was "elected") and ExCo.

Maybe this time around there will be more than 7 pilots out of our ~2,000, that might be willing to step up for the 7 positions.

CM has been blowing smoke up our bottoms long enough and don't forget he said on a conference call that "He had to take care of his MEA Brothers." Is that why IBT is paying MEA's legal expenses in the Bloch contract arbitration and all other legal matters?

IMO, the ExCo’s false statements (especially from CM), caused immense false expectations, borders on a DFR suit.

That's right, our dues and our two assessments are going to pilots that will displace us.

And, it's my understanding that we had 20 pilots show up at the Shareholder's meeting and 20 show up at LGA, picketed until it started drizzling and went home. Is that true? 40 pilots out of 2,000 participated?

It IS time for action, but I believe that change HAS to begin with dismissing those that led us to believe they actually knew what they were doing on the ExCo and the NC.

Dan S. and Wilder are such good buddies that it makes one wonder what the extent of their relationship is.

EVERYTHING the ExCo has told us has been proven to be a misdirection, overly optimistic or an outright lie.

Coward!!!!

I showed up to airways terminal two hours early on my commute to show support to you guys. Didn't see anyone picketing. Guys I met at rah are all great people. Wish you guys the best. Raise the bar for the rest of us while other regionals are forced further concessions!!

My friend is back. Welcome back. The news this week was upsetting, but you my friend are disappointing. Quit with the "appointed" crap. If you would have run, then there would have been an "election".

If you would have shown up in NY, then there would have been 41 pilots there.

Easy to heckle from the cheap seats.

Maybe you should come have a beer with me sometime, we can talk about your problems. I can help.

Was at the MAT.