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3662forlife 07-11-2012 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1227538)
Considering that Jet fuel has been over $100.00 for quite sometime now I will have to say that the 50 seaters will be flying for a few more years!

Jet Fuel - Daily Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi
*42 gallons in an Oil Barrel.

RAH is in need to find a home for Frontier, they are making themselfs as attractive as possible. It seems Regionals will make trip down the Bankruptcy court just like their mainline partners have done over the last decade to iron contracts and shed unwanted leases!

There is not an airline on the planet that bases their fuel price on the formula you used.

Labor uses WTI Crude, Management uses Brent (because it’s higher).

In the past 5 years there have been a total of roughly 12 months out of those 60 months that WTI Crude has been over $100/bbl.

WTI Crude was over $100/bbl between:

February 28, 2008 and September 30, 2008 = 7 months,
March 2, 2011 and May 4, 2011 = 2 months,
February 13, 2012 and May 3, 2012 = ~3 months.

It hovered between $95 and just over $100/bbl between November 4, 2011 and February 10, 2012 (3 months)

I don’t know what you’re saying about BK, but I think, if we get the contract we hold out for or strike for, the next step will be BK for at least a portion of RAH.

3662forlife 07-11-2012 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Emb170man (Post 1227565)

The margins are dragged down by the Chq/Republic birds flying Frontier as the books are being manipulated to show low costs to Frontier and high costs to FFD (makes F9 look better to help try to sell it). The majority FFD flying is 70+ seat which are making quite a bit of money. This assertion that it is the highest profit magin in the airline world came out of the last union update.

There are no 70+ seat aircraft operating under Branded operations, except the 190’s. And, the 190’s are driving the Branded side CASM up. That means there are hurting the Branded side financially. The Branded side would do better without the 190’s and a fleet of only A319’s and 320’s.

SEC Filings

Slide 13

So the first part of your post is inaccurate and you completely believe our union when they say “…that it is the highest profit magin in the airline world…”, once again they are raising expectations within our pilot group and I’m afraid we’re all going to be disappointed by the final outcome.


Originally Posted by Emb170man (Post 1227565)
…but I want to reverse the way things are going and get back to some semblance of a career.

And you truly believe if we get $55/hr for an FO at RAH, that it would actually have any effect on your ‘desire?’

Emb170man 07-11-2012 03:58 PM


And you truly believe if we get $55/hr for an FO at RAH, that it would actually have any effect on your ‘desire?’

Um...it'd be a hell of a step in the right direction. Is it the End all, no....but it is a change in the right direction.

3662forlife 07-11-2012 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Emb170man (Post 1228172)

Um...it'd be a hell of a step in the right direction. Is it the End all, no....but it is a change in the right direction.

Agreed. In what year of service do you envision getting $55/hr? Can't be year one, so is it year 2, 3, 4 or more, or our new 36.62?

flyguy23 07-11-2012 04:51 PM

Its best to just leave 3662 alone. Ignore him and he'll go away. No one is going to "win" an argument here. He is without question a management mole trying to ruffle everyones feathers. Just ignore him and he'll go away. He and his other screen names can have their own conversation.

slumav505 07-11-2012 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 1228216)
Its best to just leave 3662 alone. Ignore him and he'll go away. No one is going to "win" an argument here. He is without question a management mole trying to ruffle everyones feathers. Just ignore him and he'll go away. He and his other screen names can have their own conversation.


exactly, just add him to your ignore list.

ColdWhiskey 07-11-2012 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by slumav505 (Post 1228270)
exactly, just add him to your ignore list.

Yeah, good advice. Just ignore common sense and logic. If you don't like the message and can't win the debate, it's best to just ignore.

flyguy23 07-11-2012 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey (Post 1228272)
Yeah, good advice. Just ignore common sense and logic. If you don't like the message and can't win the debate, it's best to just ignore.

Common sense and logic? The guy takes everything management says as fact. Im not a big union guy, but rah mangement has been caught in more lies than i care to talk about. If you want to debate certain aspects of both sides, go for it. Coming on here acting like bedford only speaks the truth and ibt only lies is just pathetic. Saying that, 3662 is either a management mole or a pilot lacking intelligence. Which ever he is, debating with him is pointless and a waste of time. You cant teach stupid.

sticky 07-11-2012 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey (Post 1228272)
Yeah, good advice. Just ignore common sense and logic. If you don't like the message and can't win the debate, it's best to just ignore.

...kinda like you believing when F9 is spun off or sold, the pilots will go with the planes and be magically merged with the buying company's pilots. You are the king of la-la land nonsense.

Bolo 07-11-2012 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by sticky (Post 1228303)
...kinda like you believing when F9 is spun off or sold, the pilots will go with the planes and be magically merged with the buying company's pilots. You are the king of la-la land nonsense.

Stinky, I thought you were better than that. You took the bait, the line and sinker. Of course, you have to tie in F9. I am disappointed in you on this one. Back to the topic PLEASE!

Now I must respond. If we do not go with the planes than I will gladly take a captain seat away from an RAH pilot.(NOT!) We are one happy family are we not? The IBT has F9 pilots best interests right?
If F9 did not have that wonderful 7 year fence would you gladly take an F9 pilots seat? That is the real question?
Stinky, there is bait on the hook. Go for it!


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