Originally Posted by zoooropa (Post 1229711)

Wow, 11 pages of nuance regarding a strike that will never happen.

I truly feel for the guys flying the line at RAH, you deserve a better CBA. When all is said and done, your group will probably set a record for years between amendable date and ratification. That is not something to be proud of.

I can't believe there is not more of an uproar from the rank and file demanding more action. I read the PDU's and Negotiating committee updates and they sound like a High School student council debate. Childish name calling will get you nothing, and nothing is what you currently have.

Your Union let you believe that you would have a new CBA by last Christmas. Remember all of the excitement back when they were interviewed by the Local press in November 2011?

Your Union is still letting you believe that you will acheive something close to JBLU 190 rates.

Your Union is still letting you believe that they have some ace up their sleeve and you will be released to strike.

Your Union is still letting you believe that the result of a strike will be the CBA of your dreams.

I wish you all the best, I really do. I have participated in more than one CPA Section 6 negotiation. They are not fun.

The combination of poor performance by your leadership and the unrealistic expectations of the rank and file is a recipe for total disaster.

What happens if you do get your strike, and your TA, but it falls short of 99% of everyone's "wants"?

Your "11th hour" deal may be extremely similar to the deal currently on the table. What are you going to do then?

Recall your current leadership while working under yet another inferior CBA for another decade?

I would be asking everyone at the IBT Airline Division why Negotiations were halted completely for years. Meanwhile, during that unnecessary delay virtually every 50 seat operator has signed a concessionary deal or is standing on the precipices of BK. You have effectively delayed yourselves into the worst economic environment in aviation history to be negotiating rates for small RJ's. Where is the outrage from the rank and file?

Those of us looking on from the sidelines are scratching our heads, asking why you haven't done more for yourselves by now. This October will mark five year of nothing. I know all about BB and Henson and Hellar and how they are the bad guys. Do you honestly think that every other airline has "nicer" leadership? Somehow every other airline, regional, LCC, legacy, can somehow achieve an Agreement while you guys march towards 5 years since your amendable date.

I feel bad for you. You deserve better.

Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 1230131)

Bolo had mentioned a few posts back that United/F9 guys cant be scabs due to different CBA's. If that is true, are those two idiots from Falcon Air that flew struck work for the Spirit strike not under their own CBA? I only ask because those guys actually used the Spirit Wings call sign, which obviously would not happen if United flew a route that was scheduled to be a Shuttle flight. I personally think each of you needs to stop stating what will and will not be struck work until a strike is official and the union has announced what is struck work.

Originally Posted by Bolo (Post 1230164)

I actually agree with you in the sense of Monday quarterbacking on what is considered struck work.
I am waiting to see if and when a strike actually occurs. Then we all can say "I told you so" etc. etc.
I guess we will hang out out in the holding pattern see what the NMB has to say.
5+ years and counting. WOW!

Originally Posted by sticky (Post 1229721)

Oh, well how sweet of you. I like you save that little nibble for the end of your continued effort to belittle and discredit our pilot group.

The shortcomings of my union is nothing compared to your faux union's nonstop goal to gut our leverage for a better life.

Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat (Post 1229726)

Gather round ladies and gent's! The troll has come out from under the F9 bridge!

So while you are here, tell us all...how are things going at the courthouse? Word is the judge handed you guys yet ANOTHER setback. Things aren't looking too sporty for FAPAInvest and your little "deal" from what it sounds like. Guess you're hoping that the other side has really lousy forensic accountants.

That's the problem with good lawyers. They always know the answer to the question before they ask it. And 'ol BB won't throw you under the bus...he'll toss you in the fan stage to save his sorry self.

Originally Posted by embraerjetpilot (Post 1230520)

How come the frontier pilots keep showing up in the regional forum?

Just saying