My reading comprehension is just fine, thanks. By the way I know Loon. He's a great guy and his name isn't Gary. Have a great day.

 

Lots of lifers here. I will continue to fire at my pilots using their shoulders.
Bless God.

 

 

Glad I have my popcorn! This thread is better than some Maury episodes!

 

Look filling out an ASAP for someting you knew was broke is absolute stupidity. You are a pilot also. If its broke and you see it then put it in the can and call MX yourself. Otherwise you're saying "hey I knew this was broke and we left anyway". All the Captain would have to say is "my FO did not inform me of that". Who do you think would win that argument in Indy?

If you don't like a Captain dropping the break then tell them. Say something along the lines that you think it violates XYZ of the FOM. Maybe you're misinterpreting something that they can teach you about. If you don't like their answers then tell them you think you're going to have to file an ASAP. Problems tend to work themselves out when you learn to handel situations like an adult.

As for the rejected CBA: I completly understand why some "yes voters" voted the way they did. From a very technical standpoint we did "get" many of the things that were asked for. However the language was the sticking point with me. I know how this company operates and have little confidence that any of the percieved gains would have acutally panned out.

Loon you are absolutley correct about an "interm" CBA and that step-gains are the way to go. The only problem is that CBA should have been voted in 3-4 years ago. I know our negotiating history and the company doesn't deserve all the blame BUT if they want to attract pilots now then we are going to need a CBA that can do that. I do worry, however, that BB does not care about attracting pilots and simply wants a CBA to show that he can forcast costs. As you know BB cannot win new flying (by the looks of it) until he can forecast costs. Therefore BB cannot get an awesome "new flying bonus check" until he gets the 50% +1 to think a contract is simply enough. He wants his money and I want to be treated fairly. There is no reason we cannot have a contract that is a win for both of us. Because lets face it, we are not going to win unless BB sees that he can also get something out of it.

 

Just to get back on track - you do realize that consultants and analysts get their data set from which to prognosticate from the actual events.
Dub etal try to manage expectations and assure mgmt. that x amount will get the job done based on their perception of the rest of the industry.
Resetting the bar to get these paid performers to get mgmt. off the dime only comes with struggle. The fact that pilots are acting en masse WILL accomplish this.
Make no mistake, RAH and others are not airlines per se but subcontractors. Mainline knows this and will squeeze them at every turn. Ironically, they negotiate rates on the other side and when the margins get close they go for the soft target or low hanging fruit first - pilot pay. The problem of substandard compensation will perpetuate itself until this soft target says no more.
The momentum favors the larger properties "no vote" rather than the exceptional PSA/Endeavor crowd. I cannot emphasize enough that this time in history is your best and only chance to fix this abortion

 

That was a nice read. I certainly agree with it. With that being said, I really don't see an end in sight; just more of the same BS from the company AND the union.

 

I don't see an end in sight at the moment either. It is important to relize that we only voted this thing down a month and some change ago. BB stated on the last earnings call that he is ready to negotiate again and he is waiting on our union. The last voting period got very nasty and personal. I understand why our NC Chair stepped down; But that was a pretty big setback. Since the lack of a new CBA is hurting both sides of the table I think it will be a pretty quick process to get to a new TA (if there is some give and take on both sides) once the new Chair is up to speed. Things do take some time. However, if this process drags out another year and a half or more then, and only then, will I begin to reevaluate my decision to vote as I did. Until that point I stand by the majority of our pilot group.

 

Not sure if you know the new NC chair, but I do. Although I like him and think he is a savvy dude, I'm not so sure that he is the man to get this thing done. It really could go either way, but he'd have to prove me wrong. IOW, I'm not holding my breath.
I know, I know if I wanted change I should've run for office(the position)

 

I wouldn't throw that union line in your face. There are plenty of reasons not to run for office. I think the pilot group did a pretty good job of making it a less than desirable position. I do not know the man but people I trust that know him seem to think he is the right person for the job. I guess time will tell.