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Old 05-06-2018, 07:09 PM
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What exactly is fatigue risk system and how does it help?
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Old 05-07-2018, 06:16 AM
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Please see FAA Advisory Circulars 120-103A and 117-2.
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Old 05-08-2018, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by richterjean75 View Post
What exactly is fatigue risk system and how does it help?
It is a program to say that fatigue is being addressed ... It doesn't necessarily help.
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It is a program to say that fatigue is being addressed ... It doesn't necessarily help.
Why do you say It doesn't necessarily help? What else could then
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It was mandated following the Colgan crash in Buffalo. Well intentioned, but mostly lip service.
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Originally Posted by Hetman View Post
It was mandated following the Colgan crash in Buffalo. Well intentioned, but mostly lip service.
Exactly. The schedule will always be primary. Companies will only adhere to the software's alert flags if they can do so without affecting the schedule.
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Old 05-20-2018, 10:24 AM
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Exactly. The schedule will always be primary. Companies will only adhere to the software's alert flags if they can do so without affecting the schedule.
The most important part of FRMP is education, giving pilots the knowledge to understand fatigue, how it develops, how it impacts you, and how you can spot it earlier. Everyone experiences fatigue differently, there is no one size fits all rule that will eliminate fatigue, it's about being educated enough to see it coming and giving pilots legal protection to refuse to engage in dangerous ops re fatigue.
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why not to use device to track sleep and spot fatigue earlier then? I know my girlfriend uses it for health and nutrition
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A number of NetJets Pilots use an app (name escapes me right now, I'm fatigued ) They input their show times and flight legs and it alerts them about possible fatigue. Other pilots carry around the FAR 117 rest rules and abide by those as much as possible. If they get an early start and exceed the max duty hours per FAR 117 they'll fatigue.

It is good to have something that'll alert you. I've flown "one more leg" then kicked myself because the back of my eyelids starting feeling like sandpaper.
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