SWA 737 Burbank incident
12-07-2018, 01:16 PM
#121
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
I recall several departures from paved surfaces at Delta, United, and American in the past several years.
SWA overrun:
4/26/11 MDW
12/8/05 MDW
3/4/01 PHX
3//5/00 BUR
AA overrun:
12/29/10 JAC (and both reversers and speedbrakes initially didn't deploy while landing in snow).
I could not find any other overruns in the lower 48 by US mayor carriers.
By all means, correct me if I missed something, but if this is correct SWA does have a lot more overruns.
12-07-2018, 01:24 PM
#123
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Where do you guys get the 10 kt tailwind limit? It’s not allowed anywhere else, but a 15 kt tailwind is allowed going into San Jose Costa Rica. So my guess is that the Boeing 737 tailwind limit is at least 15 kts.
12-07-2018, 01:32 PM
#124
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Anyone who has been flying for some time knows that all airlines have their reputation for doing things a certain way. Airlines have cultures.
AA likes to taxi slow and SWA likes to move.
Every one of us has seen SWA take the high speed that we dont, take the last minute side step to the parallel runway that is closer to the gate, and taxi with a "purpose".
I have never had a bad encounter with a SWA crew, and have no doubt that this crew did not intentionally do anything dangerous.
But lets not act like sheep and ignore what we all see and have seen in our careers. SWA like to keep it moving...this should not be a secret to anyone. Airlines have cultures.
AA likes to taxi slow and SWA likes to move.
Every one of us has seen SWA take the high speed that we dont, take the last minute side step to the parallel runway that is closer to the gate, and taxi with a "purpose".
I have never had a bad encounter with a SWA crew, and have no doubt that this crew did not intentionally do anything dangerous.
But lets not act like sheep and ignore what we all see and have seen in our careers. SWA like to keep it moving...this should not be a secret to anyone. Airlines have cultures.
12-07-2018, 01:38 PM
#125
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
So I just spent some time on the NTSB website and this is what I see:
SWA overrun:
4/26/11 MDW
12/8/05 MDW
3/4/01 PHX
3//5/00 BUR
AA overrun:
12/29/10 JAC (and both reversers and speedbrakes initially didn't deploy while landing in snow).
I could not find any other overruns in the lower 48 by US mayor carriers.
By all means, correct me if I missed something, but if this is correct SWA does have a lot more overruns.
SWA overrun:
4/26/11 MDW
12/8/05 MDW
3/4/01 PHX
3//5/00 BUR
AA overrun:
12/29/10 JAC (and both reversers and speedbrakes initially didn't deploy while landing in snow).
I could not find any other overruns in the lower 48 by US mayor carriers.
By all means, correct me if I missed something, but if this is correct SWA does have a lot more overruns.
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...s/AAR0102.aspx
12-07-2018, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PDRit
Except a direct isn’t always the fastest or least cost. So maybe you are costing yourself some of that profit sharing? On the short legs you MIGHT be shaving seconds off a flight plan. Also, the constant cowboy drawl on the radio doesn’t help your demand to be taken seriously. The ATC recording yesterday even had a bit of that stuff.
Please let me know, I’d hate to not be taken seriously by some judgemental ass clown who hears me on the radio.
12-07-2018, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by saab2000
Totally get that and I am one and for the company in question here.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Most pilots have one thing in common: a desire to complete the flight to the destination airport. Sometimes this can lead us to do things we later think wasn't the best idea. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.
Very, very happy nobody got hurt.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Most pilots have one thing in common: a desire to complete the flight to the destination airport. Sometimes this can lead us to do things we later think wasn't the best idea. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.
Very, very happy nobody got hurt.
12-07-2018, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by KevinH65
12-07-2018, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
It’s rather obtuse of you, Saab2000, to think all pilots, entrusted with the lives of the sponsors who make our paychecks possible, act in any reckless manner to complete the mission rather than diverting to a suitable airport, or elect for a straight in approach realizing the flight is 7,000’’ above the profile with 30 miles to run.
12-07-2018, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by HuronIP
Where do you guys get the 10 kt tailwind limit? It’s not allowed anywhere else, but a 15 kt tailwind is allowed going into San Jose Costa Rica. So my guess is that the Boeing 737 tailwind limit is at least 15 kts.
Delta’s TW limit is 10 knots for all 737 models except when different on our company pages. No idea if the 10 knots is company-imposed or Boeing.
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