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rickair7777 03-10-2019 03:37 PM

Not good for Boeing. CNN banner headline pointing out the similarities to lionair. Pretty much saying fatal flaw in the MAX.

PNWFlyer 03-10-2019 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by PlaneS (Post 2779383)
It is recoverable, as has been stated above. Boeing designed a system to adjust flight controls that they deemed wasn't necessary to inform "average pilots" about because they didn't want them to be "inundated with information" - their exact words, not mine. How arrogant and insulting is that? Information which potentially could've saved lives. We won't know though, because they're all dead.

Ask yourself this - How many 737s have crashed because of the problem MCAS was supposed to fix, versus how many have crashed because of MCAS?

Not insulting at all. You actually proved their point with your own ignorance.

And as of today zero aircraft have crashed where the investigation found MCAS to be causal.

rickair7777 03-10-2019 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2779392)
:confused: So, there is definitely an accident or accidents that are confirmed to have been caused by MCAS?

CNN is pretty much calling it two. Right or wrong, it's out there now.

PlaneS 03-10-2019 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2779392)
:confused: So, there is definitely an accident or accidents that are confirmed to have been caused by MCAS?

To be fair, there is no definitive accident report that has been published confirming MCAS is to blame or was a contributing factor, but the Malaysian MAX-8 that crashed had been written up multiple times for trim issues and crashed 13 minutes after takeoff following radical pitch and altitude changes. The Ethiopian jet crashed 6 minutes after takeoff following similar deviations. Of course it's too early to say what happened, but the similarities in equipment type and flight path leading up to the accident are enough to question if MCAS is creating more problems than it is solving.

PNWFlyer 03-10-2019 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2779403)
CNN is pretty much calling it two. Right or wrong, it's out there now.

So CNN is an aircraft accident investigation authority?

rickair7777 03-10-2019 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 2779406)
So CNN is an aircraft accident investigation authority?

That's not what I said. I said Boeing has a big problem now.

Most of the public has never heard of the NTSB. But they'll believe CNN...

Congressional or other political pressure will come to bear on the FAA before the NTSB team lands in Africa.

PlaneS 03-10-2019 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 2779402)
Not insulting at all. You actually proved their point with own ignorance.

And as of today zero aircraft have crashed where the investigation found MCAS to be causal.

Of course not, because the investigations are ongoing. That doesn't mean it's too early to raise suspicions. If it really takes an accident report (two accident reports now) for you to doubt the safety of MCAS or be extra cautious the next time you fly a MAX, then it's your own ignorance that should be concerning.

JohnBurke 03-10-2019 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2779379)
That was never typical. Mesa did it, and a couple others would hire well under 1500.

Most kids out of flight school were screaming bloody murder if they had to actually instruct or lift a finger to help themselves, for quite some time. Now they're screaming like their throats are cut because they need 1,500 hours.

It was very typical for a number of years. Regionals were THE entry level job.


Originally Posted by PlaneS (Post 2779411)
That doesn't mean it's too early to raise suspicions.

No, of course not, because speculation and guesswork is always far more professional.

Winston 03-10-2019 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2779429)
Now they're screaming like their throats are cut because they need 1,500 hours.

So... not screaming very loud?

PlaneS 03-10-2019 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2779429)
No, of course not, because speculation and guesswork is always far more professional.

The last 4 flights of the Lion Air jet had AOA issues. That isn't speculation or guesswork, but hey, glib jabs on the internet that ignore facts are the mark of a true professional, right?


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