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TiredSoul 03-10-2019 01:39 PM
As far as the MCAS

https://leehamnews.com/2018/11/14/boeings-automatic-trim-for-the-737-max-was-not-disclosed-to-the-pilots/

https://leehamnews.com/2018/11/07/boeing-issues-737-operations-manual-bulletin-after-lion-air-accident/

Interesting read.

Grumble 03-10-2019 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by PlaneS (Post 2779297)
Boeing tried to fix a problem that wasn’t there, and now they have blood on their hands. The FAA should ground all MAXs until MCAS is either fixed or disabled if there is no way to eliminate errant AOA input.
The max is unrecoverable from a stall in certain conditions, MCAS was required (another band aid) for certification. You disable MCAS the airplane is no longer certified.

PNWFlyer 03-10-2019 01:59 PM
Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2779325)
The max is unrecoverable from a stall in certain conditions, MCAS was required (another band aid) for certification. You disable MCAS the airplane is no longer certified.
It is not unrecoverable! The force required to push the nose down exceeded certification limits and not by much. FAA wanted the forces to be the same. Plane is still recoverable or the flight test airplanes would have crashed.

JohnBurke 03-10-2019 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by trip (Post 2779149)
How do you get into the right seat of a airliner with 200 hrs?
As a pax I would want to know if my F/O had a 200 hrs TT.
Until not that long ago, the typical regional new hire had a wet commercial and just enough hours to be trained how to open the door.

nosecohn 03-10-2019 02:46 PM
Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2779313)
That is interesting. Thank you!

cal73 03-10-2019 03:14 PM
Originally Posted by Onfinal (Post 2779160)
There was a time in the 60's when airlines were hiring off the street with 0 flight time. I've known a few guys (now retired) that were hired, trained by the airline right into aircraft. One guy started flying dc-9s for NorthEast.


Whoa
Despite your last statement most guys hired with little to no time went to the panel and flew sideways for thousands of hours. Am I wrong?

No more panel now.


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rickair7777 03-10-2019 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2779335)
Until not that long ago, the typical regional new hire had a wet commercial and just enough hours to be trained how to open the door.
That was never typical. Mesa did it, and a couple others would hire well under 1500.

F4E Mx 03-10-2019 03:15 PM
Instead of trying to stretch the 737 to the seating capacity of the original 757why not just update the 757? Seems like there would be far fewer aerodynamic problems.

PlaneS 03-10-2019 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2779325)
The max is unrecoverable from a stall in certain conditions, MCAS was required (another band aid) for certification. You disable MCAS the airplane is no longer certified.
It is recoverable, as has been stated above. Boeing designed a system to adjust flight controls that they deemed wasn't necessary to inform "average pilots" about because they didn't want them to be "inundated with information" - their exact words, not mine. How arrogant and insulting is that? Information which potentially could've saved lives. We won't know though, because they're all dead.

Ask yourself this - How many 737s have crashed because of the problem MCAS was supposed to fix, versus how many have crashed because of MCAS?

Adlerdriver 03-10-2019 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by PlaneS (Post 2779383)
Ask yourself this - How many 737s have crashed because of the problem MCAS was supposed to fix, versus how many have crashed because of MCAS?
:confused: So, there is definitely an accident or accidents that are confirmed to have been caused by MCAS?


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