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NorthRoader907 10-28-2019 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FlighTimeBarbie (Post 2909116)
Curious why you didn’t deplane based on your concern for the captain’s judgment...

That’s what I’d like to know. Little bit of dew. Not ice. Circle of Safety foolishness. Thanks Medallion Foundation!

rickair7777 10-28-2019 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthRoader907 (Post 2913931)
That’s what I’d like to know. Little bit of dew. Not ice.

Get real. The ramper's wearing a balaclava and that snow on the taxiway is bone dry.

Was it going to bring the plane down? Not a chance. Was it frozen contamination? Yes.

NorthRoader907 10-29-2019 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2914154)
Get real. The ramper's wearing a balaclava and that snow on the taxiway is bone dry.

Was it going to bring the plane down? Not a chance. Was it frozen contamination? Yes.

Many airports served by Part 121 and the majority of airports served by Part 135 in AK offer zero de-ice services. None. The solution is to carry a weed sprayer with glycol, but no ladder. It’s a wink and a nod. When the FAA and the State of Alaska don’t see this as a problem, but you cant blame guys who operate in that environment for not getting excited about a tiny amount of frost aft of the spar.

NorthRoader907 10-29-2019 08:22 AM

Some day, the State of Alaska will get serious, and park de-ice carts inside the garages at State village runways with the snowplows, and give pilots the combo to the door. All the sleds and caravans will be freight only, and passengers will ride in PC-12s, King Airs and 1900s above MOCA altitude. But we’re not there yet. More white people have to die first. For now, it’s easier to blame the problem on “bush pilot syndrome” or “cowboy pilots”.

rickair7777 10-29-2019 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NorthRoader907 (Post 2914380)
Many airports served by Part 121 and the majority of airports served by Part 135 in AK offer zero de-ice services. None. The solution is to carry a weed sprayer with glycol, but no ladder. It’s a wink and a nod. When the FAA and the State of Alaska don’t see this as a problem, but you cant blame guys who operate in that environment for not getting excited about a tiny amount of frost aft of the spar.

I know how it really is, and that used to mostly work OK but the problem now is every pax is a self-producing and self-publishing video journalist.

JamesNoBrakes 10-29-2019 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthRoader907 (Post 2914380)
Many airports served by Part 121 and the majority of airports served by Part 135 in AK offer zero de-ice services. None. The solution is to carry a weed sprayer with glycol, but no ladder. It’s a wink and a nod. When the FAA and the State of Alaska don’t see this as a problem, but you cant blame guys who operate in that environment for not getting excited about a tiny amount of frost aft of the spar.

It’s clearly Anchorage in the pictures, they do have deice, as well as all the other locations that 121s operate in the state as scheduled service.

flightview 10-30-2019 08:12 AM

Faaster can hold a grudge. Deice all the planes. Mmmmmmmmkay?

CrabSquatch 10-30-2019 10:01 PM

https://www.adn.com/opinions/letters...-dutch-harbor/

I fly "PenAir" a lot and all of the tickets say RAVN on them. Give credit where it's due.

'squatch,

Gustafson 10-31-2019 07:27 PM

https://www.adn.com/opinions/2019/10/31/the-sobering-history-of-crashes-by-alaskas-biggest-rural-air-carrier/?fbclid=IwAR1tc3orCp45ng3K8gv3TUL6p-c1yN02j9t7PNOpubLvOJXa5XLq-uu-UP8

TXWarEagle 11-16-2019 06:16 AM

NTSB has a new Aircraft Accident Investigative Update out. Here's a link.
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...ive-Update.pdf

Couple of interesting tidbits from the report.

According to the flight crew, the captain was the flying pilot and the first officer was the pilot monitoring.

The captain indicated he held an airline transport pilot certificate and had accumulated about 20,000 total flight hours of which about 14,000 hours were in the DH-8 and 101 hours were in the Saab 2000. The first officer indicated that he held an airline transport pilot certificate and had accumulated 1,446 total flight hours of which 147 were in the Saab 2000.

Touchdown occurred with the aircraft traveling at about 129 knots indicated airspeed and 142 knots ground speed.


Wonder how those speeds compare to Vref...


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