PK8303 A320 crash at KHI
05-26-2020, 03:59 PM
#33
Roll’n Thunder
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I was in the sim one day running a new hire checkride. He was getting flustered and forgot to call for the gear to come down. The plane was calling "Too Low, Gear. Too Low, Gear" continuously the last 400 feet and he never caught onto it. I don't even know if he even heard it or if he heard it but just couldn't process it.
All that to say that given the right set of circumstances, stress, and inexperience (no clue about the crew in the crash) it is possible to try to land without the gear being down.
All that to say that given the right set of circumstances, stress, and inexperience (no clue about the crew in the crash) it is possible to try to land without the gear being down.
05-26-2020, 05:20 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
I was in the sim one day running a new hire checkride. He was getting flustered and forgot to call for the gear to come down. The plane was calling "Too Low, Gear. Too Low, Gear" continuously the last 400 feet and he never caught onto it. I don't even know if he even heard it or if he heard it but just couldn't process it.
All that to say that given the right set of circumstances, stress, and inexperience (no clue about the crew in the crash) it is possible to try to land without the gear being down.
All that to say that given the right set of circumstances, stress, and inexperience (no clue about the crew in the crash) it is possible to try to land without the gear being down.
05-26-2020, 08:15 PM
#38
Gets Weekends Off
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
I may have my nomenclature wrong as I’m not educated in the Airbus ways but I’m going with an automation/human interface problem here.
05-26-2020, 09:20 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
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Many factors here, but the primary IMO is likely to be the lack of safety culture in the airline, leading to multiple deviations and unsafe acts. Looking at the approach, it should have been called off long before it came close to the ground and not for the landing gear. Why did they continue? Those acts and attitudes are tolerated and the (human and technological) controls don't exist to prevent them. The sad part is that these crews are usually not the first ones by far to have these lapses, just the ones that end up holding the bag at the end of the game. That doesn't excuse their lack of airmanship, but them thinking their actions were "ok" on the approach is something that started in the company a long time before this.
05-27-2020, 02:23 AM
#40
All is fine at .79
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As far as CRM is concerned or lack thereof I’m curious about the cockpit authority gradient.
In the end they ended up paying with their lives.
http://www.flightsafety.org/asw/mar1...r12_p39-42.pdf
In the end they ended up paying with their lives.
http://www.flightsafety.org/asw/mar1...r12_p39-42.pdf
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