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Crown 03-03-2021 04:41 AM
Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3201931)
Read the comments after that article, they’re ridiculous.
I'm not surprised. The public, while holding us in relatively high regard, will ALWAYS cast blame on a pilot when/if something happens. Not fair at all but it's the reality. How many times have you handled an incident with the precision you've been taught to, only to have some passenger make a comment about how they are going to miss their connection because of you? That another pilot would have done a better job?

This Frontier crew, including the FA's, did everything right. Hats off to these professionals.

Herkflyr 03-03-2021 04:46 AM
Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3201931)
Anywhere I’ve worked a visual inspection by the flight crew is only required if holdover is exceeded or the precip type/intensity changes
Exactly. When the deice crew says "free of all contaminants" we take them for their word and proceed accordingly. Just like when the ramp crew gives me a salute for taxi, that means "all clear." I then assume no one is lingering around the nose wheel, and commence taxi.

Bergman 03-03-2021 05:03 AM
I really want to know what happens to the deice crew and company. I’m not one to cast blame for a mistake, but this is so bad it’s criminally negligent.

1Taco 03-03-2021 05:08 AM
Originally Posted by Bergman (Post 3201968)
I really want to know what happens to the deice crew and company. I’m not one to cast blame for a mistake, but this is so bad it’s criminally negligent.
I believe frontier ended the contract with company immediately after the incident. Not sure about the crew.

sailingfun 03-03-2021 05:30 AM
Originally Posted by 1Taco (Post 3201969)
I believe frontier ended the contract with company immediately after the incident. Not sure about the crew.
The company being used was a well known bottom feeder with a history of issues. Looks like most of their service contracts are Allegiant and Frontier.

Macjet 03-03-2021 06:02 AM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3201986)
The company being used was a well known bottom feeder with a history of issues. Looks like most of their service contracts are Allegiant and Frontier.
And Spirit. We use(d) them in PIT.

Scoop 03-03-2021 06:43 AM
Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3201929)
May my regional, if within the HOT, you had to be able to see clearly the part of the wing they stared the de ice procedure on. Since they start with the left wing the CA could look over his/her shoulder and see the end of the left wing. If you could not clearly see the wing, you had to do a pre takeoff contamination check.

If you were unsure or the HOT had expired you did a “pre takeoff contamination check” where one of you went back, asked the people in the exit row to move, and visually inspect both wings from the exit row.

What if they ran out of fluid while deicing the right wing? Having the crew check is not a solution. What if they ran out while de-icing the tail area? If we can not trust the de-icing crew we have a big problem. Kudos to the FA/Pax that caught this.

Scoop

Gone Flying 03-03-2021 07:29 AM
Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3202033)
What if they ran out of fluid while deicing the right wing? Having the crew check is not a solution. What if they ran out while de-icing the tail area? If we can not trust the de-icing crew we have a big problem. Kudos to the FA/Pax that caught this.

Scoop
Oh I agree, I was just commenting on my experience at another airline since another poster had never had that experience. HOT starts when they start de icing so if they start with the left wing and run out of fluid de icing the tail they either start over or we keep the original time they started on the left wing.

what this de ice crew did is beyond gross negligence and i applaud the crew of this frontier flight.

rickair7777 03-03-2021 07:32 AM
Originally Posted by Bat2210 (Post 3201919)
In my day a pilot would have gone back and visually inspected the wings.
If it's precipitating, sure. If it's clear out I think most of us take their word for it, the whole process is pretty orchestrated and procedural. Apparently that's not an absolute guarantee, although this sounds like intentional fraud vice any kind of honest mistake.

rickair7777 03-03-2021 07:36 AM
Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3202056)
what this de ice crew did is beyond gross negligence and i applaud the crew of this frontier flight.
Yeah kudos to that FA, not all of them would have thrown the flag, or even noticed.


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