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Old 03-03-2021, 01:45 AM   #1  
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Default Frontier deice incident BNA

This, of course, could have killed a whole plane load of people. Someone needs to be locked up for awhile to think about the error of their ways.

https://onemileatatime.com/frontier-...ophic-deicing/
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In my day a pilot would have gone back and visually inspected the wings.
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Practically speaking, how could any of us catch this before departing? At least in the plane I fly, there is no way I can get a good enough view of the wings to confirm they’re clean. We’re not trained to leave the cockpit and look out one of the windows. What else can we do other than put our trust in these de-ice crews?
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Practically speaking, how could any of us catch this before departing? At least in the plane I fly, there is no way I can get a good enough view of the wings to confirm they’re clean. We’re not trained to leave the cockpit and look out one of the windows. What else can we do other than put our trust in these de-ice crews?

is a “pre takeoff contamination check” not required before departure? It is at my airline.
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is a “pre takeoff contamination check” not required before departure? It is at my airline.
You have to go back and look at the wings every time you deice? It hasn't been that way at the 3 airlines I worked at
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is a “pre takeoff contamination check” not required before departure? It is at my airline.
It is not required at any major airline if the deice crew has certified the aircraft free of all contaminants and the holdover time determined by the deice report has not been exceeded or voided by a precip change. It can be done at Delta for any reason if the flight crew feels it’s warranted.
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The flight attendant caught it. After deicing a pilot visually inspecting the upper surface and leading edge of the wing was required. Walking back to row 20 and looking right and left.
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You have to go back and look at the wings every time you deice? It hasn't been that way at the 3 airlines I worked at
May my regional, if within the HOT, you had to be able to see clearly the part of the wing they stared the de ice procedure on. Since they start with the left wing the CA could look over his/her shoulder and see the end of the left wing. If you could not clearly see the wing, you had to do a pre takeoff contamination check.

If you were unsure or the HOT had expired you did a “pre takeoff contamination check” where one of you went back, asked the people in the exit row to move, and visually inspect both wings from the exit row.
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Read the comments after that article, they’re ridiculous. I wonder if we’ll see similar here. Anywhere I’ve worked a visual inspection by the flight crew is only required if holdover is exceeded or the precip type/intensity changes.

We did do a pre-take off check from the cockpit during icing conditions regardless because a portion of the wing was visible, but left the cockpit for pre-take off contamination check only for the above conditions.
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I believe the flight crew discovered the contamination during the "pre-takeoff check". I can't find the memo now.
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