Frontier deice incident BNA
03-03-2021 | 04:41 AM
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I'm not surprised. The public, while holding us in relatively high regard, will ALWAYS cast blame on a pilot when/if something happens. Not fair at all but it's the reality. How many times have you handled an incident with the precision you've been taught to, only to have some passenger make a comment about how they are going to miss their connection because of you? That another pilot would have done a better job?
This Frontier crew, including the FA's, did everything right. Hats off to these professionals.
This Frontier crew, including the FA's, did everything right. Hats off to these professionals.
03-03-2021 | 04:46 AM
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Exactly. When the deice crew says "free of all contaminants" we take them for their word and proceed accordingly. Just like when the ramp crew gives me a salute for taxi, that means "all clear." I then assume no one is lingering around the nose wheel, and commence taxi.
03-03-2021 | 05:08 AM
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03-03-2021 | 05:30 AM
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03-03-2021 | 06:02 AM
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03-03-2021 | 06:43 AM
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May my regional, if within the HOT, you had to be able to see clearly the part of the wing they stared the de ice procedure on. Since they start with the left wing the CA could look over his/her shoulder and see the end of the left wing. If you could not clearly see the wing, you had to do a pre takeoff contamination check.
If you were unsure or the HOT had expired you did a “pre takeoff contamination check” where one of you went back, asked the people in the exit row to move, and visually inspect both wings from the exit row.
If you were unsure or the HOT had expired you did a “pre takeoff contamination check” where one of you went back, asked the people in the exit row to move, and visually inspect both wings from the exit row.
What if they ran out of fluid while deicing the right wing? Having the crew check is not a solution. What if they ran out while de-icing the tail area? If we can not trust the de-icing crew we have a big problem. Kudos to the FA/Pax that caught this.
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03-03-2021 | 07:29 AM
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what this de ice crew did is beyond gross negligence and i applaud the crew of this frontier flight.
03-03-2021 | 07:32 AM
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If it's precipitating, sure. If it's clear out I think most of us take their word for it, the whole process is pretty orchestrated and procedural. Apparently that's not an absolute guarantee, although this sounds like intentional fraud vice any kind of honest mistake.
03-03-2021 | 07:36 AM
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