Controller needs a refresher on when to clear a plane into the ILS critical area when you are running CATII ops.
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Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 3586345)
FedEx called the SWA abort. Awesome SA from
FedEx. If SWA had taken off the FedEx go around would have been interesting. FedEx saved this all the way. |
Originally Posted by game
(Post 3586482)
Poor SA and ADM by the WN crew. They requested — and then accepted!!!— the takeoff clearance. Glad I’m not that CA. He/She will be in some VERY hot water for this.
Poor SA and ADM yes, but technically once cleared he owned the runway so ultimately it was ATC and FDXs problem. I'd guess the tower might get in trouble since he actually did not specify "no delay" and probably shouldn't have issued the clearance under those conditions. But pizza parties... old habits die hard. Yes SWA should have known not to delay. ATC may be in the habit of relying on SWA to not delay. |
Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 3586626)
Takeoff if those conditions can take a minute.
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Originally Posted by game
(Post 3586482)
Poor SA and ADM by the WN crew. They requested — and then accepted!!!— the takeoff clearance. Glad I’m not that CA. He/She will be in some VERY hot water for this.
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Southwest abort, with no call sign, and past a certain speed, in low visibility, Hmm.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3586657)
That's true, might have taken a moment to double-check the setup.
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Originally Posted by dera
(Post 3586406)
I wonder if SWA was in a hurry to meet a holdover time? Weather was FZFG at the time.
This audio includes SWA checking in with tower, they simply advised ready to go. I did not sense a rush vibe, and they didn't even ask if they could get out before the heavy, they just checked in ready. If they had just switched over from ground, they might not have even heard tower clear FDX. |
Originally Posted by hvydriver
(Post 3586281)
I dunno. I’d say 25’ counts as “pretty close”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=de...zZsXPDyj72s1Gg |
VASAviation has done a video on this with animation:
https://youtu.be/DjoDn8zQgb8 I had said in my initial post it didn't sound like a close call. Boy was I wrong. I'm guessing ATC will take the brunt of the blame for this. The SWA pilots may get a "WTF" call from the CP but I don't think they broke any FAR's. |
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