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ShyGuy 10-31-2023 03:56 PM

FFDO F/O threatens to shoot CA
 
Awesome. The most useless program for "safety" strikes again. For anyone keeping record, the FFDO program so far has put one bullet hole through the side of an A320 flight deck window, conducted a couple of completely illegal traffic stops and detainment of civilians at gun point, and now threatening a fellow pilot over a potential diversion for a medical emergency.

Zero dead terrorists so far. :rolleyes:


I own multiple guns, have a California conceal carry permit, so I'm not some anti-gun nutjob. But I would have zero problems with this program going away.


https://www.ourmidland.com/business/...qCHk-Ol4sxYTp4


https://fortune.com/2023/10/31/pilot...tain-diverted/

RemoveB4flght 10-31-2023 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3718298)
Awesome. The most useless program for "safety" strikes again. For anyone keeping record, the FFDO program so far has put one bullet hole through the side of an A320 flight deck window, conducted a couple of completely illegal traffic stops and detainment of civilians at gun point, and now threatening a fellow pilot over a potential diversion for a medical emergency.

Zero dead terrorists so far. :rolleyes:


I own multiple guns, have a California conceal carry permit, so I'm not some anti-gun nutjob. But I would have zero problems with this program going away.


https://www.ourmidland.com/business/...qCHk-Ol4sxYTp4


https://fortune.com/2023/10/31/pilot...tain-diverted/


Maybe the captain had worn shorts and a ball cap on their European overnight?

ExperimentalAB 10-31-2023 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3718298)
Awesome. The most useless program for "safety" strikes again. For anyone keeping record, the FFDO program so far has put one bullet hole through the side of an A320 flight deck window, conducted a couple of completely illegal traffic stops and detainment of civilians at gun point, and now threatening a fellow pilot over a potential diversion for a medical emergency.

Zero dead terrorists so far. :rolleyes:


I own multiple guns, have a California conceal carry permit, so I'm not some anti-gun nutjob. But I would have zero problems with this program going away.


https://www.ourmidland.com/business/...qCHk-Ol4sxYTp4


https://fortune.com/2023/10/31/pilot...tain-diverted/

You clearly also don’t understand the value of deterrence. And you point to a handful of instances in over two decades of the FFDO program as proof that it hasn’t prevented a hijacking? How can you possibly know that? Maybe…just maybe, the very real threat of an armed pilot has entirely prevented another attempted hijacking of an airliner. Every time you bang at that keyboard leaves me to wonder how you can even tie your shoes in the morning.

ugleeual 10-31-2023 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3718304)
You clearly also don’t understand the value of deterrence. And you point to a handful of instances in over two decades of the FFDO program as proof that it hasn’t prevented a hijacking? How can you possibly know that? Maybe…just maybe, the very real threat of an armed pilot has entirely prevented another attempted hijacking of an airliner. Every time you bang at that keyboard leaves me to wonder how you can even tie your shoes in the morning.

Hmm, I’m guessing he wears slip on loafers… the good quality kind from Walmart. Stop feeding the trolls!

OOfff 10-31-2023 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3718304)
You clearly also don’t understand the value of deterrence. And you point to a handful of instances in over two decades of the FFDO program as proof that it hasn’t prevented a hijacking? How can you possibly know that? Maybe…just maybe, the very real threat of an armed pilot has entirely prevented another attempted hijacking of an airliner. Every time you bang at that keyboard leaves me to wonder how you can even tie your shoes in the morning.

https://youtu.be/xSVqLHghLpw

TNDeltaFlyboy 10-31-2023 04:35 PM

I'm amazed this didn't blow up APC and FB 15 months ago.

JohnBurke 10-31-2023 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3718304)
You clearly also don’t understand the value of deterrence. And you point to a handful of instances in over two decades of the FFDO program as proof that it hasn’t prevented a hijacking? How can you possibly know that? Maybe…just maybe, the very real threat of an armed pilot has entirely prevented another attempted hijacking of an airliner. Every time you bang at that keyboard leaves me to wonder how you can even tie your shoes in the morning.

Give him a break. He's from California. Don't make fun of the handicapped.

Zero dead terrorists is the goal. Deterrence is better than an airborne shoot-out. Arming the cockpit was always a good idea. It still is.

This thread is redundant: it's already being discussed: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/d...-know-guy.html

Cleared4appch 10-31-2023 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 3718300)
Maybe the captain had worn shorts and a ball cap on their European overnight?

lol I haven’t laughed so hard in a long time.

Stan446 10-31-2023 05:10 PM

[QUOTE=ExperimentalAB;3718304]You clearly also don’t understand the value of deterrence.

Deterrence is when the opposing side knows you are a threat. The public has no idea who FFDO's are.

ShyGuy 10-31-2023 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3718304)
You clearly also don’t understand the value of deterrence. And you point to a handful of instances in over two decades of the FFDO program as proof that it hasn’t prevented a hijacking? How can you possibly know that? Maybe…just maybe, the very real threat of an armed pilot has entirely prevented another attempted hijacking of an airliner. Every time you bang at that keyboard leaves me to wonder how you can even tie your shoes in the morning.

I doubt anyone is making plans based on the perception the pilot could be armed. And why would you use that as a deterrence and not mention FAMs?



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