Tower Forces Pilot to Land, Intended to G/A
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No, it is not.
It might force a result, much the same way that taking someone's life at the ATM relieves them of their cash; neither represent authorization.
You plan to blow an aircraft out of the air because the pilot exercised his legal right to go around?
It might force a result, much the same way that taking someone's life at the ATM relieves them of their cash; neither represent authorization.
You plan to blow an aircraft out of the air because the pilot exercised his legal right to go around?
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Can we land in a 2000' runway? Yes. The other aircraft is 3000' ahead and moving away.
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Ever had anything unexpected happen on the runway? While you were watching, or participating? I've had aircraft parts separate, a wheel come off, a brake catch fire, compressor stalls that blew flame past the cockpit, and engine that defecated the mattress so badly the tower cab felt the concussion through the floor, and a few other moments over the years, and I've been along for the ride when a number of other things happened, such as a horse entering the runway, and once, a very large bumblebee emerged next to a pilot who was very allergic, and he changed his entire focus to the bee (have actually had that happen twice). A hydraulic line failure that misted the interior in H5606. A cockpit fire, and so on. Explosions on and next to the runway thanks to rockets, mortars, and mines. An explosion that burned off all the belly skin for the aft third of the airplane, back through the tail. Things happen. These may cause a change in the landing distance or plan.
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Thankfully we only have to deal with a single Sidewinder. Whew...sometimes there's so much we have to be prepared for. :-/
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Controller says "company policy doesn't override the rules." The company's policies can be more restrictive. Nothing requires a landing.
The runway doesn't have to be clear either as long as the minimum separation is met.
There's a learning lesson for the student pilot, and perhaps their instructor, in this video.
The runway doesn't have to be clear either as long as the minimum separation is met.
There's a learning lesson for the student pilot, and perhaps their instructor, in this video.
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Not hard to do, but I wouldn't do it if some rando tower controller just sprung it on me.
It's just not something that's done routinely in civil aviation. If there's some field out there that does it all the time, and the locals are used to it, then fine. I just haven't been there yet.
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It's a great learning opportunity - know the rules, be prepared, be ready.
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I read these "but what if, what if" declarations and I wonder how some people get out of bed, drive, especially without a full face helmet, climb in an airplane and take off, or land, without a runway check followed by another runway check to make sure nothing fell of the first vehicle, followed by a 3rd vehicle to check that nothing came off of the second vehicle, etc, etc. What about the problems with mx issues and flight controls rigged 180 degrees out? Oh...I'm going to roll over and pull the sheets back over my head and hope that an airliner doesn't crash into the roof and my home and crush me.
The point of this particular discussion is a clearance to land when another aircraft is landing ahead of us, and has, in fact, stopped on the runway to turn off...and isn't yet clear of the runway.
I won't accept a clearance if the airplane is still on the runway. I may be cleared to land, but if the other airplane isn't clear, I'm going around, and there isn't an air traffic control authority on the planet that holds the authority to deny my go-around...because there's no clearance required, and safety of flight takes front row.
The aircraft that just landed in front of me isn't moving away rapidly. THe distance is decreasing. If that aircraft has stopped (and it's his runway until he's clear of the runway), the distance is decreasing at the rate of my approach groundspeed. Nothing theoretical or what-if about that.
A controller has no business trying to talk a pilot out of an operational safety-of-flight decision. If the pilot announces a go-around, it is NOT the controller's place to try to talk him out of it.
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