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Old 01-20-2025 | 07:13 AM
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https://viewfromthewing.com/air-traffic-control-sends-delta-plane-into-spacex-rockets-launch-area-falcon-9-scrubbed-with-11-seconds-to-spare/


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Old 01-20-2025 | 08:43 AM
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Would be interesting to know if there's any blowback on the pilots.

In addition to tedious plotting of dots based on NOTAMs, EFB apps show such restricted areas.

Although such areas can go hot and cold on very short notice, depending on vagaries of launch schedules (or VIP schedules, such as Bill's haircut)... in which case pilots do rely on ATC to know the exact status.
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Old 01-20-2025 | 02:22 PM
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Under IFR, pilots are routed through TFR's all the time, so the crew given direction by ATC is not necessarily out of line.

Some of those closest calls I've had in flight occurred when operating in very low visibility in smoke inside a TFR, when commercial traffic was routed through my fire, by ATC. The closest involved a Skywest Brasillia; I was in a C-130, and was close enough that I observed the captain in the Brasillia wearing Rayban Outdoorsman II sunglasses with green lenses. There are close near mid-airs, and then there are CLOSE ones. This was CLOSE. It wasn't a new TFR, or a small one. There was no missing the fire; a very large, complex fire with multiple divisions and heavy smoke on multiple flanks. The Brasillia was operating under IFR, and in accordance with an ATC clearance, and was legal. ATC can do that, and crews vectored or directed by ATC, under IFR, are legal.
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Old 01-20-2025 | 07:56 PM
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What year was that?
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Old 01-20-2025 | 09:33 PM
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2 Imporatant questions;

1) Was DAL reporting light chop?
2) We're they performing their collateral duty as guard police?
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Old 01-20-2025 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
What year was that?
Over the course of two and a half decades, quite a few of them.

Originally Posted by John Carr
2 Imporatant questions;

1) Was DAL reporting light chop?
2) We're they performing their collateral duty as guard police?
More importantly, were they both wearing their hat?
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Old 01-21-2025 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
2 Imporatant questions;

1) Was DAL reporting light chop?
2) We're they performing their collateral duty as guard police?
They were doing neither but the CA was on a greenslip pulling in 13 bucks a minute!
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Old 01-21-2025 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They were doing neither but the CA was on a greenslip pulling in 13 bucks a minute!
Nah they were attempting to crack a joke in disguise of really trying to randomly flex— case in point above haha.
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Old 01-21-2025 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs
Nah they were attempting to crack a joke in disguise of really trying to randomly flex— case in point above haha.
I think sailing is retired. So probably just a joke.
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Old 01-21-2025 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Over the course of two and a half decades, quite a few of them.
The Brasillia close encounter?
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