PSA Crash with Helicopter at DCA…
01-31-2025 | 06:25 AM
#91
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In the United States, ATC professionals do not need to notify both aircraft of a point out. It is procedure to only notify one. In this case the tower controller was probably compliant.
PAT told the controller twice he had the aircraft in sight. PAT requested twice to maintain visual separation. PAT accepted legal responsibility twice. PAT did exactly what he said he would not do, impact the conflicted airliner.
There are a lot more safety concerns here I hope are addressed soon. The behavior of PAT seems blatantly incompetent. It's hard to accept such a screw up.
PAT told the controller twice he had the aircraft in sight. PAT requested twice to maintain visual separation. PAT accepted legal responsibility twice. PAT did exactly what he said he would not do, impact the conflicted airliner.
There are a lot more safety concerns here I hope are addressed soon. The behavior of PAT seems blatantly incompetent. It's hard to accept such a screw up.
01-31-2025 | 06:58 AM
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Seriously you can't help yourself....
What is offensive is using this accident without facts being known, bodies still in the Potomac, and not even a full day after the accident is using their lives lost as a springboard for your political BS.
Again keep it out of this thread and stop making me lose faith in humanity.
What is offensive is using this accident without facts being known, bodies still in the Potomac, and not even a full day after the accident is using their lives lost as a springboard for your political BS.
Again keep it out of this thread and stop making me lose faith in humanity.
The qualifications of those involved can be discussed after the NTSB report, if they find it relevant.
01-31-2025 | 07:04 AM
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In fairness I think we've fixed the issue of planes landing on Po&Ho planes, by procedure and awareness. I'm more worried about incursions mid-field, which you can't see coming in advance.
01-31-2025 | 07:31 AM
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I haven't look at this hard, but did some estimation early on and it seems like about a mile out from touchdown, which even if the helo is "supposed" to be at 200 feet, does not seem like enough clearance to be running underneath arriving aircraft. Seems like a corridor for helo N/S traffic would need to be much further east, over land and the AF base, given the expected altitude of aircraft on approach over the water.
01-31-2025 | 07:50 AM
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In the United States, ATC professionals do not need to notify both aircraft of a point out. It is procedure to only notify one. In this case the tower controller was probably compliant.
PAT told the controller twice he had the aircraft in sight. PAT requested twice to maintain visual separation. PAT accepted legal responsibility twice. PAT did exactly what he said he would not do, impact the conflicted airliner.
There are a lot more safety concerns here I hope are addressed soon. The behavior of PAT seems blatantly incompetent. It's hard to accept such a screw up.
PAT told the controller twice he had the aircraft in sight. PAT requested twice to maintain visual separation. PAT accepted legal responsibility twice. PAT did exactly what he said he would not do, impact the conflicted airliner.
There are a lot more safety concerns here I hope are addressed soon. The behavior of PAT seems blatantly incompetent. It's hard to accept such a screw up.
01-31-2025 | 08:14 AM
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Former Army pilot here and it stings that the Army Helicopter caused this. Had they been at 200 feet like they were supposed to be, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The 200 feet altitude restriction was the last card in the deck.
01-31-2025 | 08:18 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huVFZ__q2rI
01-31-2025 | 08:18 AM
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01-31-2025 | 08:39 AM
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it wasn’t a p&h plane, but tell that to the FDX crew in Austin. I think they would disagree.
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