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Old 07-31-2025 | 02:10 PM
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NTSB is holding 2 days of public hearings on this incident.

Today and tomorrow.

Watch if you'd like, draw your own conclusions.

(Some editorial comment/bias: The presented computer graphic recreation made me want to throw up. Haven't screamed like a crazy person at a computer generated graphic presentation this much since the 2009 Colgan Air crash that was 100% avoidable. Game of inches.)
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Old 07-31-2025 | 07:01 PM
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crazy how they accepted being high that entire time
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Old 07-31-2025 | 09:37 PM
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100' is within tolerance for hand-flying, what's crazy is they allowed a corridor to be used that basically intersected (within 100') a 3 degree glide path to the runway while the runway was in use with aircraft on approach. That's the absolutely insane part. Given the tolerances of well...everything, how big tails are, how gear hangs down, this was a set-up from a long time for a mid-air collision. Humans aren't perfect and relying on visual separation here was just insane. I've "lost" visual many times for various reasons including never having gotten them in sight in the first place when the location on the box and instructions should have done it.
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Old 07-31-2025 | 11:10 PM
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As I said before. The penalty for being 100’ high shouldn’t be death.
This is all on the feds.
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Old 08-01-2025 | 03:19 AM
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99% on the feds, 1% on PAT25.
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Old 08-01-2025 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Peabody17
99% on the feds, 1% on PAT25.
what? Disagree 100% with your percentages. The only thing I agree with is that there is zero fault with that poor PSA crew.
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Old 08-01-2025 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
NTSB is holding 2 days of public hearings on this incident.

Today and tomorrow.

Watch if you'd like, draw your own conclusions.

(Some editorial comment/bias: The presented computer graphic recreation made me want to throw up. Haven't screamed like a crazy person at a computer generated graphic presentation this much since the 2009 Colgan Air crash that was 100% avoidable. Game of inches.)
Is there a link to that recreation?
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Old 08-01-2025 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Peabody17
99% on the feds, 1% on PAT25.
Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
what? Disagree 100% with your percentages. The only thing I agree with is that there is zero fault with that poor PSA crew.
I might go 10% on PAT25, but they were just playing the game they were assigned to play, by the rules in effect at the time.

Also in the grand scheme of aviation, the PAT25 crew was VERY inexperienced. If you added their flight time together, it was barely enough to get a regional FO job.

Yes zero on PSA, they weren't told and had no reason to suspect they were playing frogger with tactical aircraft at the marker at a Bravo airport.
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Old 08-01-2025 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Is there a link to that recreation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQm-fRrNMjM
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Old 08-01-2025 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Excellent.

Start around minute 8 if you just want to see the graphics/overlay with the transmissions.
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