HercDriver130

Max dude...get off the bong. I think we all know why your ticket was revoked now as well.

dojetdriver

Don't know, don't fly the plane, so I don't claim to be an expert. Just asking the question.

See above

Just wondering if it would have been capable, also, would the YD have any input in this case, worsening the situation?

Yep, could probably feel like an eternity in this case.

seaav8tor

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MaxFiano

Dude Check this out this is why my licenses was revoked..!!!!!!!!



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God bless you my man ...




MaxJet

NoWake200

That video was funny as hell!!!!

the King

I was under the impression that maneuvering speed (I'm guessing that's what you meant) was the speed where full elevator deflection could occur without exceeding the load limits.

aa73

Gentlemen:

WIth all due respect, those of you who watched that video watched it a good 4-5years ago.

That video is long gone, as is the "AAMP" unusual attitude training program, with which I also had several problems agreeing with.

In place now is an unusual attitude training program that is consistent with most other airlines' programs. And it works very well, and is safe.

It is one thing to sit here and throw stones at AA pilots because of the grudge you harbor against them (I'm talking to you, Ironspud) and extremely poor form using that accident to channel your anger... and it quite another thing in taking the lessons learned from this accident and applying them today, while respecting the deceased and their loved ones. I'll let you decide with is the more mature decision.

As others have pointed out above, ailerons should always be used primarily in recovering, with rudder inputs as necessary to help along. At least, that's what I was taught from early flight training.

/r,
73

ERJ135

I think that AAMP video might be at Eagle now. We had AAMP training and watched like 5hrs of videos. I actually got some kind of sign off for watching the videos. It was with this X fighter guy and he talked about rolling, pitching and all kinds of aggressive manuevers for unsual attitude recovery. It was actully pretty interesting. They said it was an AA video and like most of the others watched it was pretty old. FWIW were not even suppose to ever fully deflect the rudder in one direction then the other direction. Though my problem has always been not using enough rudder

aa73

Exactly. It was an ex F-100 Super Sabre pilot who though that these techniques should apply to flying airliners. Not. Whoever signed off on that program really screwed up. Even when I was "taught" it in the sim, I still cheated using mostly ailerons with a little rudder help.

pooch817

The crash of fight 587 was disgrace and several people should be in prison for killing all those people. Three years before the accident I went to Railsback ,head of safety an told him the school house was teaching how to wreck a plane and not fly it. He agreed and said he had taken the same argument to management but had been over ruled. I talked to one of the "expert airman" going from base to base touting heavy rudder use only to have him turn his back on me mid sentence. Because I had once been a test Pilot for the company, an acrobatic pilot in my spare time, a current line pilot and an engineer by listening to him I could tell that he was both weak and inexperienced. One of the brown nosed working in flight management.
The standard recovery for Dutch roll had been use spoilers and definitely not rudder for 30 years. They biased the sims to make the sim behave the way they were teaching and not according to aircraft performance. The company had been repeatedly warned and yet a clique of pilots under the VP of flight were teaching a doctrine all their own in conflict with established procedure and aeronautical experience. The FAA came down pretty hard on them but not hard enough. THOSE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T HAVE DIED. It was a murder by a corrupt management