TpaPilot

I bet they're just pouring in now.


Now back to your previously scheduled thread.

742drvr

I think an immediate discriminating lawsuit is in order!!!!!!

FailOperational

surely a lawsuit is in order.... I would like to think the various unions can come together and get this litigated up to the supreme court if they have to.

It's utterly ridiculous that they can make two totally different regs and claim cost... especially when UPS/FEDEX make more money than the entire passenger sector combined!

Baja

Actually, it was the FAA, not Congress. That said, it might be possible to get Congress to pass a bill that forces the FAA to remove the cargo cutout. That's likely the next push.

Shaggy1970

The unions are all worthless and until we ban together and say we have had enough, nothing will change.

WingOffLight

Actually, a stand down for safety is "not" considered a job action. An industry wide stand down, albeit da*n near impossible, would be 100% legal. The term "stand down" is widely misused today for a day of training etc. However, it originally referred to an act of standing down from a labor activity in hazardous situations.

The next question would be "Well, why haven’t you ever done it in the past". The answer is simple. In the past we have never had a comprehensive study dealing with fatigue. Now we do and they are industry specific. Furthermore, for reasons which are purely financial, our safety is and well-being is being put in jeopardy over those in similar practiced trade.

Take the above statement to any Lawyer.. Even one for the Ol’mighty ALPA and have them try to argue against it. Actually just take the above statement and go to a case law database. Also, dont get over involved with the United States being the named Defendant. Its done all the time over BS laws and practices.........

FailOperational

I fully agree... they need to get of their butts and put some of those dues to work doing something seriously productive..

There should be a national campaign and work action/slow down or what ever you want to call it. ALL pilots who feel remotely tired due to long days, odd hours or haphazard schedules should immediately call in fatigued.

I mean of all the operations that NEEDED this rule, international cargo ops was by far the most critical.. multiple time zones, 16+ hour days extendable to 20+ .. and they think we don't need it? seriously?