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Old 12-21-2011 | 09:08 AM
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What about the Supplimental guys that can carry on an endless duty day as long as there's an FE. Very disappointing but I'm not suprised.
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Old 12-21-2011 | 09:22 AM
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"It was tough to implement it on cargo because of the cost-benefit to this," LaHood said. RIGHT! It is tough when the hugely profitable cargo carriers offer hundreds of millions in lobby money to your boss to exempt Cargo carriers...that operate widebody aircraft from the same airports/space. The pax and cargo carriers spend many times more in a quarter on lobbying than the annual costs Mr. LaHood mentions as a result from this rule change. This bull is sprayed dispite the companies having to report massive Qtly expenditures on their lawyer lobby.
He with the most money wins...their should be some big bonuses handed out for this win.
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Old 12-21-2011 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by freightretriever
Right up until an all crago airplane lands on top of an A380 full of people. But hey the pax crew was well rested. Awesome.
The Tenerife airport disaster occurred on March 27, 1977, when two Boeing 747 passenger aircraft collided on the runway of Los Rodeos Airport (now known as Tenerife North Airport) on the Spanish island of Tenerife, one of the Canary Islands. With a total of 583 fatalities, the crash is the deadliest accident in aviation history.

How about "taxi into" vice land on.

*repeat from similar thread. Apologies to those reading it twice.
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Old 12-21-2011 | 11:38 AM
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The only alternative now is NOT to fly tired ............... Fatigue calls or Sick calls, your choice. I will not fly tired or roll the dice with it ............... The rest of you guys and gals out there know what I am talking about. Do the right thing. These aircraft will not fly without pilots ........... No pilots, no flights. Simple as that ................
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Old 12-21-2011 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXFLYR
And yet, the vast majority of guys I fly with vote Republican. How much more will it take for pilots to realize that the Republican party and in this case, the Republican-controlled House, will say anything to the public but will always vote in support of business leaders. Go ahead and be unhappy with the President as a person but realize that the Democratic Party's platform supports workers rights and workers benefits and guess what? Pilots are workers.
I hate talking politics on this board, but give me a break!!!! The White House is almost totally responsible for this. Who do you think has been lobbied the hardest the past few months?? Congress ain't one of them. In the end though, money won the fight, and the millions that UPS spent alone, proved too much to overcome.
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Old 12-21-2011 | 12:02 PM
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The other interesting cutout was passenger troop movements. Another fact supporting that Obama does not give a ******* about troops. Anything he does is for political gain. This NPRM basically declares our troops as second class citizens, not worthy of the same safety standard as the rest of the public.
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Old 12-21-2011 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tennesseeflyboy
The only alternative now is NOT to fly tired ............... Fatigue calls or Sick calls, your choice. I will not fly tired or roll the dice with it ............... The rest of you guys and gals out there know what I am talking about. Do the right thing. These aircraft will not fly without pilots ........... No pilots, no flights. Simple as that ................
The only alternative NOW...?!?!?

How is the status quo today different than it was yesterday, or last month, or last year? Calling in fatigued or sick has ALWAYS been our only option... one used by far too few.
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Old 12-21-2011 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE
I hate talking politics on this board, but give me a break!!!! The White House is almost totally responsible for this. Who do you think has been lobbied the hardest the past few months?? Congress ain't one of them. In the end though, money won the fight, and the millions that UPS spent alone, proved too much to overcome.
Please explain exactly how the WH is "almost totally responsible" for this.
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Old 12-21-2011 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
It never was about protecting the crews ...

only the potential loss of passenger life
a complete understanding of the situation.
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Old 12-21-2011 | 01:11 PM
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I hate to break it to you, but everything any politician does is for political gain, your guy/gal included.

This is another example of why we should have been negotiating a real contract, essentially creating our own rest rules rather than going after 3/6% and hoping for a gov't glove save. There is no such thing as perpetual growth when it comes to our hourly rates. At some point we have to take a stand and fix QOL before it's too late.
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