The Cargo Cutout
#31
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2011
Posts: 6
Value of life - yep, they have one.
So, this is how they (F.A.A.) figure it. There is a value of human life and a cost of implementation. As of Jan. 2011 their value is 6 million per life. Cost of implementation for cargo is between 252 - 306 million. Cost per accident between 20.35 & 33.55 million. Passenger carriers: implementation between 338 - 390 million. Cost per accident between 376 & 716 million. Cost to benefit - not so good for the cargo guys (unless we could carry a couple hundred hearts in back). So yes, as we already knew, it's about the $, not necessarily the science. Tell me you're suprised!? However, parking the plane and filling it with cement would insure an almost infinite return on investment.
#32
Maybe our company friendly unions will negotiate similar rest requirements in our next contracts, so they can boost of considerable gains. This will be a given of coarse, since the friendly FAA asked the company CEO'S to voluntarily adapt them.
Merry Christmas.
Dear Santa, I would like an early retirement package, a pot of gold, a pot of platinum, Lindsey Lohan as president and peace of earth for all.
Merry Christmas.
Dear Santa, I would like an early retirement package, a pot of gold, a pot of platinum, Lindsey Lohan as president and peace of earth for all.
#33
Albie,
Thats the funniest post I've ever read!!! I need to have some of what you're smoking....
Because if you think that we have the unity to demand and act accordingly to achieve that, you gotta have some topshelf, non-medicinal herb.
Look at the historical (or should I say hysterical) unity of days gone by:
Approved pos LOA1
Bid 777 without payrate, including MEC
Tripped over eachother to fatten wallets during 4a2b
Approved LOA2 for 3% and gave company blank check
Watch how we go crazy to bid 767 before that whole debacle is decided.
Have no unity, never will, the union and its members are paper tigers...
Thats the funniest post I've ever read!!! I need to have some of what you're smoking....
Because if you think that we have the unity to demand and act accordingly to achieve that, you gotta have some topshelf, non-medicinal herb.
Look at the historical (or should I say hysterical) unity of days gone by:
Approved pos LOA1
Bid 777 without payrate, including MEC
Tripped over eachother to fatten wallets during 4a2b
Approved LOA2 for 3% and gave company blank check
Watch how we go crazy to bid 767 before that whole debacle is decided.
Have no unity, never will, the union and its members are paper tigers...
Last edited by magic rat; 12-22-2011 at 10:20 AM. Reason: My first grade teacher called me out on spelling
#35
Curious as to how the "WH" had the final say in this Rule. Did you read the final ruling, it is very enlightening. http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...-FinalRule.pdf
It is spelled out (in 300 some pages) The WH OMB has the responsibility for cost analysis, but the FAA under the DOT has the final decision making authority (what to decide based on the cost analysis..(and industry "comments" i.e. lobbying) of the rulemaking. The report delineates the actions that the opposing lobby presented for the cut-out.
I'm disappointed with the rule, and disagree, but would like to know how the WH "made" the cut out, when the FAA makes the ruling? Read the report..
It is spelled out (in 300 some pages) The WH OMB has the responsibility for cost analysis, but the FAA under the DOT has the final decision making authority (what to decide based on the cost analysis..(and industry "comments" i.e. lobbying) of the rulemaking. The report delineates the actions that the opposing lobby presented for the cut-out.
I'm disappointed with the rule, and disagree, but would like to know how the WH "made" the cut out, when the FAA makes the ruling? Read the report..
Executive Order 12866 requires agencies to examine the costs and benefits of both proposed and final regulatory actions. DOT administrations promulgate rules to enhance safety and protect the environment, for which the monetary value of preventing injuries and loss of life must be estimated among the benefits. Administrations also undertake investments and administrative actions that must be evaluated in terms of their safety benefits.
The benefit of preventing a fatality is measured by the Value of a Statistical Life (VSL), defined as the value of improvements in safety that result in a reduction by one in the expected number of fatalities
(current life value is $5.8 million.)
I am not bashing the President (I voted for him, in fact). It is simply politics and $$$. If the OMB (white house) says it is too expensive (cost/benefit), then the FAA (under direction/pressure from the President) will change the regulation. That is the way Washington works.
#36
And to think that there are plenty of people (especially pilots) that finds no purpose in OWS.
#38
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Of course we see the purpose to OWS. What is funny is that there are plenty of people (especially leftwing pilots) that dont see the irony in demands from protestors (that never worked a day in their lives) that the greedy ba$ards forgive my $100K in student loans
Last edited by FDXLAG; 12-22-2011 at 11:13 AM.
#39
So it's not too expensive for the pax carriers, most of which are in, just coming out of, or floating just above bankruptcy, but it's too expensive for the (relatively) prosperous cargo carriers... interesting logic.
#40
If we decide we need a better Retailer in Chief, we will get one the old fashioned way, we will buy one.
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