Twin nose gear failure in Arlington, TX
01-26-2012, 07:21 AM
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The funny thing is, this has happened before at the same school.... Im sure you can find the last time on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYc82ISq0xQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYc82ISq0xQ
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01-26-2012, 08:00 AM
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You have to do the tear-down inspection if the prop hits the runway....regardless of whether the engine is running, windmilling, or stopped. At least cut the mixture, you'll still have to the tear-down but you probably won't have to replace anything.
01-26-2012, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by piper338
The funny thing is, this has happened before at the same school.... Im sure you can find the last time on youtube.
Two men survive plane belly landing - YouTube
Two men survive plane belly landing - YouTube
01-26-2012, 08:37 AM
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I can't recall if it is in Part23 certification, but gear up landing is usually considered by the manufacturer. It is not hard to put skid rails on the bottom and older Pipers actually had a retracted gear position that left some wheel exposed in the event of gear failure. Like Rick says, you shut down and then feather. I think if my day comes to do this one however, I will make the approach a bit on the high side to give time to see if they feather first. That's where diverting to a longer runway may be helpful.
01-26-2012, 01:45 PM
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Feathering and tweaking the props is a noble idea, but I think all would agree it creates an increase in risk of messing up the landing, stalling, drifting off centerline, etc. and eliminates the possibility of a go-around.
Personally, I would probably let them hit and let the insurance company hadle it.
Obviously, it worked for this pilot and I think he did a good job.
Personally, I would probably let them hit and let the insurance company hadle it.
Obviously, it worked for this pilot and I think he did a good job.
01-26-2012, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes. Stopping the engines is not enough, they will still windmill until you get very slow and might still be turning at touchdown. So you have to feather and then bump the starter to get the props horizontal...pretty busy on short final but it can be done. Just make sure you have the runway made.
You have to do the tear-down inspection if the prop hits the runway....regardless of whether the engine is running, windmilling, or stopped. At least cut the mixture, you'll still have to the tear-down but you probably won't have to replace anything.
You have to do the tear-down inspection if the prop hits the runway....regardless of whether the engine is running, windmilling, or stopped. At least cut the mixture, you'll still have to the tear-down but you probably won't have to replace anything.
I had a bad indication on a 421 and feathered them both in the flair. When the props stopped and all the drag was gone, it was like letting off the brakes. The problem wasn't making the runway, but OVER-running
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01-26-2012, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
I had a bad indication on a 421 and feathered them both in the flair. When the props stopped and all the drag was gone, it was like letting off the brakes. The problem wasn't making the runway, but OVER-running .
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01-29-2012, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wizepilot
If you have the time, feather them, shut 'em down, starter the props horizontal if two blade. Had a friend on a 310 could not get the nose gear down. He did this, and all he had to replace were the nose gear doors. That was all. Lucky SOB!
From what we could figure out is a pin came out of one of the nose gear doors, the wind pushed it closed prior to retraction, then jamming and breaking the actuating rod when he brought them up. It stayed stuck in a half extended since a mechanical system has no spring to pull it back down. Best landing I've seen in distress
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