Twin nose gear failure in Arlington, TX
01-24-2012 | 02:16 PM
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Twin nose gear failure in Arlington, TX
Nose gear landing failure in arlington, texas. Good job by the instructor.
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01-25-2012 | 04:54 AM
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More likely trying to save ex$pensive damage to the engines and props. I'm not an expert on this, but I think if the engines are off, worst case, you just replace the props. Running? Possibly the crankshafts too, which means you are replacing the whole engine.
It's already going to cost him to fix the gear, and the skin damge under the nose....
It's already going to cost him to fix the gear, and the skin damge under the nose....
01-25-2012 | 04:57 AM
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01-25-2012 | 05:16 AM
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More likely trying to save ex$pensive damage to the engines and props. I'm not an expert on this, but I think if the engines are off, worst case, you just replace the props. Running? Possibly the crankshafts too, which means you are replacing the whole engine.
It's already going to cost him to fix the gear, and the skin damge under the nose....
It's already going to cost him to fix the gear, and the skin damge under the nose....
Looks like the instructor did an excellent job. Bravo Zulu!
UAL - it is amazing how little damage can be done to the underbelly of an aircraft after a collasped gear, or even gear up, landing.
I saw a hawker Hunter once right after a gear up landing and it was hard to see the damage until you saw the antenna on the belly near the aft end which got pushed up into the fuselage. Of course it had the added benefit of having drop tanks on it, but even they were remarkably damage free.USMCFLYR
01-25-2012 | 08:49 AM
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True. We had a T-38 here about 2003 land gear-up (had to; he had sheared a main off at KJAN, by touching down short of the runway!!)
First, it was surprising how far he slid after touchdown....about 3500 ft. I looked at the jet the next day in the hangar. Surprisingly little skin damage was done to the fuselage. The checklist calls for landing on the speedbrake (belly, forward of the wing) and flaps. Speedbrake is a heavy chunk of metal, flaps are thin-skinned.
The speedbrake had been ground half-off, through the hydraulic attach point, until it allowed the nose to fall. The flaps? Only the bottom 3 inches were affected, and at that, not ground-off---just bent backwards. Just the opposite of what I had expected.
It cost some money, but it was flying about 6 months later.
True. We had a T-38 here about 2003 land gear-up (had to; he had sheared a main off at KJAN, by touching down short of the runway!!)
First, it was surprising how far he slid after touchdown....about 3500 ft. I looked at the jet the next day in the hangar. Surprisingly little skin damage was done to the fuselage. The checklist calls for landing on the speedbrake (belly, forward of the wing) and flaps. Speedbrake is a heavy chunk of metal, flaps are thin-skinned.
The speedbrake had been ground half-off, through the hydraulic attach point, until it allowed the nose to fall. The flaps? Only the bottom 3 inches were affected, and at that, not ground-off---just bent backwards. Just the opposite of what I had expected.
It cost some money, but it was flying about 6 months later.
01-25-2012 | 09:21 AM
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True. We had a T-38 here about 2003 land gear-up (had to; he had sheared a main off at KJAN, by touching down short of the runway!!)
First, it was surprising how far he slid after touchdown....about 3500 ft. I looked at the jet the next day in the hangar. Surprisingly little skin damage was done to the fuselage. The checklist calls for landing on the speedbrake (belly, forward of the wing) and flaps. Speedbrake is a heavy chunk of metal, flaps are thin-skinned.
The speedbrake had been ground half-off, through the hydraulic attach point, until it allowed the nose to fall. The flaps? Only the bottom 3 inches were affected, and at that, not ground-off---just bent backwards. Just the opposite of what I had expected.
It cost some money, but it was flying about 6 months later.
True. We had a T-38 here about 2003 land gear-up (had to; he had sheared a main off at KJAN, by touching down short of the runway!!)
First, it was surprising how far he slid after touchdown....about 3500 ft. I looked at the jet the next day in the hangar. Surprisingly little skin damage was done to the fuselage. The checklist calls for landing on the speedbrake (belly, forward of the wing) and flaps. Speedbrake is a heavy chunk of metal, flaps are thin-skinned.
The speedbrake had been ground half-off, through the hydraulic attach point, until it allowed the nose to fall. The flaps? Only the bottom 3 inches were affected, and at that, not ground-off---just bent backwards. Just the opposite of what I had expected.
It cost some money, but it was flying about 6 months later.
Student or IP landing short?
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01-25-2012 | 04:52 PM
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If you have the time, feather them, shut 'em down, starter the props horizontal if two blade. Had a friend on a 310 could not get the nose gear down. He did this, and all he had to replace were the nose gear doors. That was all. Lucky SOB!
01-26-2012 | 01:36 AM
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Yes. Stopping the engines is not enough, they will still windmill until you get very slow and might still be turning at touchdown. So you have to feather and then bump the starter to get the props horizontal...pretty busy on short final but it can be done. Just make sure you have the runway made.
You have to do the tear-down inspection if the prop hits the runway....regardless of whether the engine is running, windmilling, or stopped. At least cut the mixture, you'll still have to the tear-down but you probably won't have to replace anything.
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