Twin nose gear failure in Arlington, TX
01-24-2012, 02:16 PM
#1
Line Holder
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: moving along
Posts: 52
Twin nose gear failure in Arlington, TX
Nose gear landing failure in arlington, texas. Good job by the instructor.
Video below
Plane Lands Safely in Arlington | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth
Video below
Plane Lands Safely in Arlington | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth
01-25-2012, 04:54 AM
#3
Moderate Moderator
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Curator at Static Display
Posts: 5,681
More likely trying to save ex$pensive damage to the engines and props. I'm not an expert on this, but I think if the engines are off, worst case, you just replace the props. Running? Possibly the crankshafts too, which means you are replacing the whole engine.
It's already going to cost him to fix the gear, and the skin damge under the nose....
It's already going to cost him to fix the gear, and the skin damge under the nose....
01-25-2012, 04:57 AM
#4
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 127.0.0.1
Posts: 2,115
Originally Posted by alarkyokie
Dumb question?
Why did the pilot deadstick it in?
Fire potential?
Why did the pilot deadstick it in?
Fire potential?
01-25-2012, 05:16 AM
#5
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
Posts: 13,837
Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
More likely trying to save ex$pensive damage to the engines and props. I'm not an expert on this, but I think if the engines are off, worst case, you just replace the props. Running? Possibly the crankshafts too, which means you are replacing the whole engine.
It's already going to cost him to fix the gear, and the skin damge under the nose....
It's already going to cost him to fix the gear, and the skin damge under the nose....
Originally Posted by N9373M
To protect his props and associated engine damage from a prop strike. Potentially saved tens of thousands of dollars on rebuilds/inspections.
Looks like the instructor did an excellent job. Bravo Zulu!
UAL - it is amazing how little damage can be done to the underbelly of an aircraft after a collasped gear, or even gear up, landing.
I saw a hawker Hunter once right after a gear up landing and it was hard to see the damage until you saw the antenna on the belly near the aft end which got pushed up into the fuselage. Of course it had the added benefit of having drop tanks on it, but even they were remarkably damage free.USMCFLYR
01-25-2012, 08:49 AM
#6
Moderate Moderator
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Curator at Static Display
Posts: 5,681
USMC:
True. We had a T-38 here about 2003 land gear-up (had to; he had sheared a main off at KJAN, by touching down short of the runway!!)
First, it was surprising how far he slid after touchdown....about 3500 ft. I looked at the jet the next day in the hangar. Surprisingly little skin damage was done to the fuselage. The checklist calls for landing on the speedbrake (belly, forward of the wing) and flaps. Speedbrake is a heavy chunk of metal, flaps are thin-skinned.
The speedbrake had been ground half-off, through the hydraulic attach point, until it allowed the nose to fall. The flaps? Only the bottom 3 inches were affected, and at that, not ground-off---just bent backwards. Just the opposite of what I had expected.
It cost some money, but it was flying about 6 months later.
True. We had a T-38 here about 2003 land gear-up (had to; he had sheared a main off at KJAN, by touching down short of the runway!!)
First, it was surprising how far he slid after touchdown....about 3500 ft. I looked at the jet the next day in the hangar. Surprisingly little skin damage was done to the fuselage. The checklist calls for landing on the speedbrake (belly, forward of the wing) and flaps. Speedbrake is a heavy chunk of metal, flaps are thin-skinned.
The speedbrake had been ground half-off, through the hydraulic attach point, until it allowed the nose to fall. The flaps? Only the bottom 3 inches were affected, and at that, not ground-off---just bent backwards. Just the opposite of what I had expected.
It cost some money, but it was flying about 6 months later.
01-25-2012, 09:21 AM
#8
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
Posts: 13,837
Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
USMC:
True. We had a T-38 here about 2003 land gear-up (had to; he had sheared a main off at KJAN, by touching down short of the runway!!)
First, it was surprising how far he slid after touchdown....about 3500 ft. I looked at the jet the next day in the hangar. Surprisingly little skin damage was done to the fuselage. The checklist calls for landing on the speedbrake (belly, forward of the wing) and flaps. Speedbrake is a heavy chunk of metal, flaps are thin-skinned.
The speedbrake had been ground half-off, through the hydraulic attach point, until it allowed the nose to fall. The flaps? Only the bottom 3 inches were affected, and at that, not ground-off---just bent backwards. Just the opposite of what I had expected.
It cost some money, but it was flying about 6 months later.
True. We had a T-38 here about 2003 land gear-up (had to; he had sheared a main off at KJAN, by touching down short of the runway!!)
First, it was surprising how far he slid after touchdown....about 3500 ft. I looked at the jet the next day in the hangar. Surprisingly little skin damage was done to the fuselage. The checklist calls for landing on the speedbrake (belly, forward of the wing) and flaps. Speedbrake is a heavy chunk of metal, flaps are thin-skinned.
The speedbrake had been ground half-off, through the hydraulic attach point, until it allowed the nose to fall. The flaps? Only the bottom 3 inches were affected, and at that, not ground-off---just bent backwards. Just the opposite of what I had expected.
It cost some money, but it was flying about 6 months later.
Student or IP landing short?
USMCFLYR
01-25-2012, 04:52 PM
#9
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 276
If you have the time, feather them, shut 'em down, starter the props horizontal if two blade. Had a friend on a 310 could not get the nose gear down. He did this, and all he had to replace were the nose gear doors. That was all. Lucky SOB!
01-26-2012, 01:36 AM
#10
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,251
Originally Posted by wizepilot
If you have the time, feather them, shut 'em down, starter the props horizontal if two blade. Had a friend on a 310 could not get the nose gear down. He did this, and all he had to replace were the nose gear doors. That was all. Lucky SOB!
Yes. Stopping the engines is not enough, they will still windmill until you get very slow and might still be turning at touchdown. So you have to feather and then bump the starter to get the props horizontal...pretty busy on short final but it can be done. Just make sure you have the runway made.
You have to do the tear-down inspection if the prop hits the runway....regardless of whether the engine is running, windmilling, or stopped. At least cut the mixture, you'll still have to the tear-down but you probably won't have to replace anything.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
