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Old 08-06-2012 | 10:42 AM
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I can understand that... It would probably be somewhere in the ballpark of $20,000 to $25,000 for 100 to 125 hours I would think. It would certainly weed out a lot of the younger people coming around wanting to fly, thats for sure. I'm not sold on it being a great idea, but I think there should at least be some sort of integration. Its not an easy solution because if you teach a private pilot too much instrument training, it will only serve to give them false confidence and they will likely put themselves in a bad situation. But I think a little more focus on some BAI training wouldn't be the worst thing in the world either... but who knows what will happen. This industry is crazy.
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Old 08-06-2012 | 02:10 PM
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I think a lot of it has to do with reliance on GPS and not being proficient in VORs, ADF, NDB... Old school style. I have noticed a big difference in instructors too. Older instructors don't really like you to be so reliant on GPS (for good reason... its a wonderful tool, but should be your only means of SA) and younger guys aren't as reluctant to rely on it so much.

And yet more of it has to do with certain areas. Anyone who has flown around central FL on the weekends can attest to this. Every yahoo with an experimental, ultralight, recreational license, and wet private are out dorking around in the sky being about as safe as a skydiver without a parachute. I've almost had mid-air collisions several times at uncontrolled fields due to some idiot not knowing where he is in the pattern or not making his call-outs appropriately. I cussed out someone over CTAF in Palatka (not professional I know, but this idiot really pushed my buttons) because I called right base to final and he comes out of nowhere with a "base to final" call for the same runway. I was saved by the fact that I was a little high and I watched him go right through my flight path about 200 ft below. He got mad that I yelled at him and gave me the, "I fly here every weekend! Who do you think you are!?" I'm out here dropping skydivers out of the sky and this idiot is just out farting around not making any calls.

And don't even get me started on the huge amount of foreign student pilots around here who tie up the radios with unintelligible gibberish and really can't fly worth a crap. Nuttier than squirrel **** around here some days.

On my last checkride, my DPE mentioned that in the next 10 years... there will be a push by the FAA to make a Private Pilot rating include an Instrument rating. Basically 2 ratings in one. Will cost twice as much, but I think it isn't the worst idea. It would make things a lot safer I would think. It would basically go: Sport/Recreational, Private (including all the instrument training), Commercial, etc... What would everyone think of something like this?
It's the moving map, and it's just as deadly in IFR flight IMO. When that map goes out, is set incorrectly (TRK up via North Up) or the GPS goes out (yep, I've seen Loss Of Integrity and multiple GPS failures too), the pilot is helpless because they've never had to navigate "old school" as you put it. A lot of instructors think they are teaching it "old school", but with that map up the student is relying most on the map for SA, not interpreting the instruments as appropriate. It's not the GPS persay, most of them don't know what OBS mode does or what a course to/bearing from is, it''s the map IMO. If you teach without a map to start with, the end result is 100x better IMO.
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Old 08-06-2012 | 05:26 PM
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Agreed^^ GPS is my back up. I've lost it a couple of times and for me it isn't a big deal because I already have my VOR's tuned up and ready to go. I usually slave my GPS (if equipped) to the VOR and use GPS when needed
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Old 08-07-2012 | 04:43 PM
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I've had new-hire applicants (and others, but it's most troubling with new-hires) tell me they "can't fly the approach" when I turn off the moving map under partial panel situations. I ask them "why?". They think that is how you fly approaches and do any kind of LNAV. They don't understand that they have the required instruments, even with an attitude indicator in some cases! or combination of other instruments that will substitute, a CDI, a dme readout of some kind, the other required instruments, etc. This is scary to me.
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