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Old 01-26-2008, 09:12 AM   #1  
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How does your airline stack up?

The purpose of this thread is to show the general standing of each airline with regards to pay rates in the industry. I know several airlines are in negotiations (Pinnacle, Republic, Skywest, Horizon), and I just wanted to point out some numbers so everyone is on the same page when voting.


CRJ-900/E175 5th Year Captain
Republic = $77
Mesa = $69
Skywest = $67
Comair = $66
Mesaba = $66

CRJ-700/E170 5th Year Captain
Horizon = $80
Eagle = $73
Republic = $70
ASA = $69
Skywest = $67
Comair = $66
Mesa = $64

CRJ-200/E145 5th Year Captain
Expressjet = $69
Eagle = $69
Republic = $67
AWAC= $66
ASA = $66
Skywest = $64
Comair = $63
Pinnacle = $62
Mesaba = $62
Mesa = $61

CRJ-700/900/E170/E175 2nd Year FO
Horizon = $42
ASA = $38
Skywest =$37
Comair = $36
Eagle = $32
Republic = $31
Mesa = $29
Mesaba = $28

CRJ-200 2nd Year FO
AWAC= $36
ASA = $35
Skywest= $35
Comair = $34
Expressjet = $34
Republic = $31
Mesa = $29
Mesaba = $28
Pinnacle = $24

First Year FO
Horizon = $29
AWAC = $25
Eagle = $24
Mesaba = $24
Expressjet = $23
Republic = $23
ASA = $23
Comair = $22
Mesa = $22
Pinnacle = $21
Skywest = $19

A few of my personal comments:

1. If your airline pays less than Mesa for a certain rate, there is a problem.

2. Vote NO on the Skywest pay proposal. Even with those new rates, you are still well behind several of the other airlines. Ask management to negotiate with you a little. If they do not negotiate, then vote in ALPA.

3. Republic has good captain rates and I believe they will vote in an industry leading contract. However the FO rates are pretty terrible right now, so that should be a focus. How about 2 FO rates (one for E135/E140/E145/CRJ, and one for E170/E175/E190)

4. Comair's concessions put them at near the bottom of the industry (especially for captain pay). When is their contract ammendable?

5. Mesaba's concessions put them at near the bottom of the industry (captain and FO pay), so good luck in 2009.

6. Pinnacle has pretty lousy rates across the board, so good luck in your contract negotiations. I hope you guys shoot above Expressjet or Republic, maybe even near Horizon.

7. ASA voted in what looked like a good TA, but I think their rates will be towards the bottom after this round of negotiations over the next 2-3 years.

8. There is no reason why you cannot have the rates Horizon has. You just have to negotiate. Especially for first year pay!
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How does your airline stack up?

The purpose of this thread is to show the general standing of each airline with regards to pay rates in the industry. I know several airlines are in negotiations (Pinnacle, Republic, Skywest, Horizon), and I just wanted to point out some numbers so everyone is on the same page when voting.


CRJ-900/E175 5th Year Captain
Republic = $77
Mesa = $69
Skywest = $67
Comair = $66
Mesaba = $66

CRJ-700/E170 5th Year Captain
Horizon = $80
Eagle = $73
Republic = $70
ASA = $69
Skywest = $67
Comair = $66
Mesa = $64

CRJ-200/E145 5th Year Captain
Expressjet = $69
Eagle = $69
Republic = $67
AWAC= $66
ASA = $66
Skywest = $64
Comair = $63
Pinnacle = $62
Mesaba = $62
Mesa = $61

CRJ-700/900/E170/E175 2nd Year FO
Horizon = $42
ASA = $38
Skywest =$37
Comair = $36
Eagle = $32
Republic = $31
Mesa = $29
Mesaba = $28

CRJ-200 2nd Year FO
AWAC= $36
ASA = $35
Skywest= $35
Comair = $34
Expressjet = $34
Republic = $31
Mesa = $29
Mesaba = $28
Pinnacle = $24

First Year FO
Horizon = $29
AWAC = $25
Eagle = $24
Mesaba = $24
Expressjet = $23
Republic = $23
ASA = $23
Comair = $22
Mesa = $22
Pinnacle = $21
Skywest = $19

A few of my personal comments:

1. If your airline pays less than Mesa for a certain rate, there is a problem.

2. Vote NO on the Skywest pay proposal. Even with those new rates, you are still well behind several of the other airlines. Ask management to negotiate with you a little. If they do not negotiate, then vote in ALPA.

3. Republic has good captain rates and I believe they will vote in an industry leading contract. However the FO rates are pretty terrible right now, so that should be a focus. How about 2 FO rates (one for E135/E140/E145/CRJ, and one for E170/E175/E190)

4. Comair's concessions put them at near the bottom of the industry (especially for captain pay). When is their contract ammendable?

5. Mesaba's concessions put them at near the bottom of the industry (captain and FO pay), so good luck in 2009.

6. Pinnacle has pretty lousy rates across the board, so good luck in your contract negotiations. I hope you guys shoot above Expressjet or Republic, maybe even near Horizon.

7. ASA voted in what looked like a good TA, but I think their rates will be towards the bottom after this round of negotiations over the next 2-3 years.

8. There is no reason why you cannot have the rates Horizon has. You just have to negotiate. Especially for first year pay!


If only there was a way to somehow show total compensation. Hourly rates is truly a small piece of the entire picture. Work rules, profit sharing, etc.
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Old 01-26-2008, 09:41 AM   #3  
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I think you fail to see that block pay isn't everything. While the pay scales on here are benneficial, there are things like trip/duty rigs, block or better, healthcare bennefits, 401 match, etc which are not accounted for. If they were, it would be easier to see why I would have made less in my first year at TSA than a first year FO at skywest who makes $3 per hour less than I did.

Yes, the bar needs to be raised. However I think too many people fail to realize that there are other aspects to the pay picture that play a HUGE roll.
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I think you fail to see that block pay isn't everything. While the pay scales on here are benneficial, there are things like trip/duty rigs, block or better, healthcare bennefits, 401 match, etc which are not accounted for. If they were, it would be easier to see why I would have made less in my first year at TSA than a first year FO at skywest who makes $3 per hour less than I did.

Yes, the bar needs to be raised. However I think too many people fail to realize that there are other aspects to the pay picture that play a HUGE roll.
What he said. This is basically what I was trying to say, pip said it better though.
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Try this.

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iahfly,

You are attempting to deliberately mislead people...ie you are LYING. Hourly rates taken alone are meaningless, as you well know.

Nobody at mesa gets paid more than a SKW pilot, for an equivelant seat and longevity. Mesa pilots spend a lot of duty time not getting paid where SKW pilots do get paid. SKW pilots also get significant bonuses after the two-year mark. SKW pilots also get, on average, 14-16 days off. Mesa is more like 10-12 (8 for reserves).

I'm not blowing the SKW horn here, it's just that I can only speak specifically about those two companies. I'm sure your numbers are equally misleading for other carriers as well.
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The numbers themselves are not misleading...but one MUST consider the context of those numbers when getting a real-world picture.
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I totally agree about rigs. I am not sure what happened to my disclaimer at the beginning of the post (saying I know hourly rates are not everything), but I do agree that hourly rates are not everything.

However, they are definately a huge part of your total earnings.
As for rigs, it seems to me like everyone should have atleast:

4:1 trip rig
2:1 duty rig
100% deadhead pay
100% cancellation pay
Minimum day pay (3-4 hours)
Some sort of OT for 12+ hour duty or CDO's
75 hour monthly guarantee

I know some places don't have these (Compass only 75% deadhead, Mesa basically has no cancellation pay, Trans States has 70 hour reserve guarentee). So if your airline does not have these, then get them.
But still look at those rates!
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I totally agree about rigs. I am not sure what happened to my disclaimer at the beginning of the post (saying I know hourly rates are not everything), but I do agree that hourly rates are not everything.

However, they are definately a huge part of your total earnings.
As for rigs, it seems to me like everyone should have atleast:

4:1 trip rig
2:1 duty rig
100% deadhead pay
100% cancellation pay
Minimum day pay (3-4 hours)
Some sort of OT for 12+ hour duty or CDO's
75 hour monthly guarantee

I know some places don't have these (Compass only 75% deadhead, Mesa basically has no cancellation pay, Trans States has 70 hour reserve guarentee). So if your airline does not have these, then get them.
But still look at those rates!
This is why XJT, SKYW, etc guys can credit over 120+ hours a month while flying 90, and Mesa and Colgan blowhards will never touch that.
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Old 01-26-2008, 12:54 PM   #10  
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There is no such thing as a 5th year captain at Horizon, on any airplane. So ignore those pay rates. Hasnt happen since 1999 and there is no change insight. If you are basing you decion to come to Horizon on pay, you are in for a suprise. You technically get paid more at other regionals because you are captain by you second year at the least. Second year FO pay at Horizon is 32.04. You are not paid by aircraft type. You get paid based on seniority, and the seniority ladder here moves in slow-mo. You probably wont see captain pay until year 6.5 and that for the Q200. If you look at that payrate its about $58 per hour. Now look at skywest or express jet second year captain pay in see the difference.
 
 
 
 

 
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