Silver Airlines.....whoops!
08-09-2012 | 08:20 AM
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relax sally. nobody is attacking anyone. ckb colocated? nope, i was wrong there.
cant see the river at night? um yeah actually you can. Its not hard to pick out at all. Using the CKB and MGW VORs, landmarks on the ground and basic SA would tell you that it is not the right airport in this scenario. I'll stick with my FMS because it is just another tool to give me SA in flight. But from someone who has flown into CKB probably 200 times over the last five years in a lesser equiped saab, my point still stands. These two airports dont look the same. im not here to pass judgement on the crew. who knows what their level of experience was or what was going on in the cockpit. At least they got it stopped before they overran. Good job to them.
cant see the river at night? um yeah actually you can. Its not hard to pick out at all. Using the CKB and MGW VORs, landmarks on the ground and basic SA would tell you that it is not the right airport in this scenario. I'll stick with my FMS because it is just another tool to give me SA in flight. But from someone who has flown into CKB probably 200 times over the last five years in a lesser equiped saab, my point still stands. These two airports dont look the same. im not here to pass judgement on the crew. who knows what their level of experience was or what was going on in the cockpit. At least they got it stopped before they overran. Good job to them.
!CKB 08/002 CKB NAV ILS RWY 21 GP OTS
Also, looking at the approach plate, how do you know where the city is? Or the river? Or any other "landmarks" for that matter? Also, the other airport is 9 nm away and not depicted in the 10 nm ring.
Ought to be interesting getting the Saab out of there. From Airnav...
RY 23 HAS 100 FT DROP OFF, NE END.
RY 5 HAS +30 FT HILL AT SW END.
RY 5 HAS +30 FT HILL AT SW END.
08-09-2012 | 08:30 AM
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guys jumping to conclusions and not paying attention to details. There is another posting elsewhere about setting the heading bug within a couple of degrees of the assigned and calling it OK or gripping about mil pilots be anal about those details--sweat the details and the big stuff will take care of itself.
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guys jumping to conclusions and not paying attention to details. There is another posting elsewhere about setting the heading bug within a couple of degrees of the assigned and calling it OK or gripping about mil pilots be anal about those details--sweat the details and the big stuff will take care of itself.
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08-09-2012 | 09:02 AM
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08-09-2012 | 09:08 AM
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Even using the nearest VOR and referncing the radial and dme would help. Not judging at all, just saying a way for us to avoid or reduce mishaps. This like other incidents are case studies for us to learn from, not to criticise. A lot of what we benefit now in the way of safety measures and procedures are due to mishaps that became case studies for us to learn and benefit from.
08-09-2012 | 10:18 AM
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That's what I meant what if there is no VGSI.
08-09-2012 | 11:08 AM
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08-09-2012 | 09:40 PM
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My brother was in VF-211 , embarked on the old Connie (the 64in this tale)in the IO during the Iranian Hostage "Crisis". Some hotshot from the Pentagon or Pearl (LtCmdr, I think) came out to make a report on things. He goes off, in section, from one of the other carriers. In the haze, he's leading for some reason, finds a ship, enters the pattern at a correct part of the cycle. BUT, gets waved off approaching the ramp, RIO notices the wrong number on the island but doesn't get the word before his wingman, well practiced on a 9-month tour of blue water ops, traps. OOPS, when they look at the island and a crowd rushing their Tomcat.
They were "brigged" for the night and the other carrier sent over a ration of ice cream in trade. My brother says all the stickers and graffiti made it look like a NYC subway when shot off the next afternoon.
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Yes, Gilchrist's book is a classic, should be retitled "Great Ejections I Witnessed"
My brother was in VF-211 , embarked on the old Connie (the 64in this tale)in the IO during the Iranian Hostage "Crisis". Some hotshot from the Pentagon or Pearl (LtCmdr, I think) came out to make a report on things. He goes off, in section, from one of the other carriers. In the haze, he's leading for some reason, finds a ship, enters the pattern at a correct part of the cycle. BUT, gets waved off approaching the ramp, RIO notices the wrong number on the island but doesn't get the word before his wingman, well practiced on a 9-month tour of blue water ops, traps. OOPS, when they look at the island and a crowd rushing their Tomcat.
They were "brigged" for the night and the other carrier sent over a ration of ice cream in trade. My brother says all the stickers and graffiti made it look like a NYC subway when shot off the next afternoon.
GF
Yes, Gilchrist's book is a classic, should be retitled "Great Ejections I Witnessed"
08-10-2012 | 02:30 AM
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They were "brigged" for the night and the other carrier sent over a ration of ice cream in trade. My brother says all the stickers and graffiti made it look like a NYC subway when shot off the next afternoon.
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Yes, Gilchrist's book is a classic, should be retitled "Great Ejections I Witnessed"
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Yes, Gilchrist's book is a classic, should be retitled "Great Ejections I Witnessed"
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