Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Pilot Lounge > Safety
Silver Airlines.....whoops! >

Silver Airlines.....whoops!

Search

Notices
Safety Accidents, suggestions on improving safety, etc

Silver Airlines.....whoops!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-12-2012 | 05:29 PM
  #41  
AxialFlow's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 519
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by dingo222
relax sally. nobody is attacking anyone. ckb colocated? nope, i was wrong there.

cant see the river at night? um yeah actually you can. Its not hard to pick out at all. Using the CKB and MGW VORs, landmarks on the ground and basic SA would tell you that it is not the right airport in this scenario. I'll stick with my FMS because it is just another tool to give me SA in flight. But from someone who has flown into CKB probably 200 times over the last five years in a lesser equiped saab, my point still stands. These two airports dont look the same. im not here to pass judgement on the crew. who knows what their level of experience was or what was going on in the cockpit. At least they got it stopped before they overran. Good job to them.
You mentioned that CKB had a VOR on the field. That brought your credibility into question, in my opinion. As someone who has been into CKB 201 times over the past 5 years, I'm saying I can see where a crew on their inaugural flight, being asses and elbows, could screw things up quickly. Sure, they didn't look for the airport beacon on the west side of the field. Sure, they didn't notice the lack of instrument approach lighting. I have flown over Fairmont many times with an overcast/moonless sky and never seen the river. I have broken out on approach into CKB and thought we were high, only to double check the instruments and realize we were over Fairmont and not Clarksburg. Does it absolve the crew from doing their jobs? No. My point: It's easy to see how a chain of events could build up and culminate with them landing at the wrong field. Luckily they didn't go off the end. Hopefully this will serve as a reminder for everyone pay attention and speak up if something doesn't seem right.
Reply
Old 08-13-2012 | 05:06 PM
  #42  
jsfBoat's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,317
Likes: 0
From: Lovin' life at .4 (ish) mach
Default

Originally Posted by dingo222
The Ckb based silver captain was a former biz ex and eagle pilot for almost 20 years. Silver planes have an fms and those airports look Nothing alike. Wasn't a former Colgan, but wow.
If it is who I think it is, this guy was finishing up his sim in MSP while I was there for during systems. If my memory is correct, I think his last commercial flying job was 7 years ago.
Reply
Old 08-13-2012 | 07:13 PM
  #43  
DYNASTY HVY's Avatar
Retired
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,527
Likes: 0
From: whale wrangler
Default

Originally Posted by TheFly
Wrong Way Landings By Commercial Airliners

Not just 200hr pilots, this has happened to experienced crews as well.
Looks like several landings occured at military bases oops !



Ally
Reply
Old 08-13-2012 | 08:48 PM
  #44  
TheFly's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,300
Likes: 0
From: Seat 0B
Default

Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY
Looks like several landings occured at military bases oops !



Ally
Biggs AFB near ELP.....
Reply
Old 08-13-2012 | 10:04 PM
  #45  
Banned
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,134
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
There is another posting elsewhere about setting the heading bug within a couple of degrees of the assigned and calling it OK or gripping about mil pilots be anal about those details--sweat the details and the big stuff will take care of itself.

GF
Are mil guys "anal" about things like verifying, crosschecking, looking at things like runway length and general airport picture when landing?

If there were those details to be sweated and the big stuff taken care of, maybe the C17 guys recently wouldn't have made a boo boo.

Crap can happen to ANYBODY, it's proven itself to NOT have bias against training, background, experience level, etc.
Reply
Old 08-13-2012 | 10:51 PM
  #46  
galaxy flyer's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 5,244
Likes: 2
From: Baja Vermont
Default

Can't speak for the C-17, but runway length, orientation, and desired landing spot were briefed in my squadron. If not touched down by the briefed position, it was a no-fault go. It can happen to anyone, but that doesn't make it blameless. I'll bet the -17 crew were downgraded, too.

We did have a crew make an accidental attempt to land at the wrong airport in Macon, the briefing procedure saved 'em. Co-pilot said "the ILS doesn't look right".

GF
Reply
Old 08-14-2012 | 01:31 AM
  #47  
Jughead's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 890
Likes: 0
From: ATL717A
Default

Originally Posted by TheFly
Out of these dozens of wrong airport landings, what is the tower saying to the inbound aircraft? "Cleared to land", (but I don't see you anywhere, I guess you're there?). I realize some of these were austere locations, or maybe outside of official Tower hours, but otherwise, shouldn't a Tower controller be wondering where the airplane is, that he just cleared to land? And maybe pimp the pilot as to his whereabouts?
Maybe I'm expecting too much, but the McDill C17 got me wondering the same thing - how do you miss that?
Reply
Old 08-14-2012 | 12:26 PM
  #48  
Line Holder
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 364
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Jughead
Out of these dozens of wrong airport landings, what is the tower saying to the inbound aircraft? "Cleared to land", (but I don't see you anywhere, I guess you're there?). I realize some of these were austere locations, or maybe outside of official Tower hours, but otherwise, shouldn't a Tower controller be wondering where the airplane is, that he just cleared to land? And maybe pimp the pilot as to his whereabouts?
Maybe I'm expecting too much, but the McDill C17 got me wondering the same thing - how do you miss that?
You are correct. The tower is supposed to see the aircraft out the window or on radar before giving a landing clearance, otherwise the aircraft is to be advised, "Not in sight from the tower."
Reply
Old 08-19-2012 | 03:50 PM
  #49  
HIFLYR's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,506
Likes: 0
From: 777 Captain in Training
Default

As in this case these landings usually happen at uncontrolled fields and the field is mistaken for the destination airport. The crew calls it in sight and the en route controller says change to advisory radar services terminated or change to advisory and you close out upon landing.
Reply
Old 08-19-2012 | 07:45 PM
  #50  
galaxy flyer's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 5,244
Likes: 2
From: Baja Vermont
Default

HIFLYER

Nice try, but I seriously doubt that was the explanation of the C-17--Tampa Approach by that point must have handed them over to tower-controlled MacDill AFB. Probably tower cleared them to land with the Buddha in sight, crew dived for Peter Knight. Rumor I heard 24+ hour crew duty day might be involved, but fatigue will b ruled out. I guarantee it.

GF
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
jsled
Major
63
03-16-2010 12:52 PM
Flatspin
Regional
43
02-16-2009 07:45 PM
PeanutButter
Major
0
04-16-2007 05:11 PM
HIREME
Regional
61
01-24-2007 07:34 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices