Silver Airlines.....whoops!
08-12-2012, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dingo222
relax sally. nobody is attacking anyone. ckb colocated? nope, i was wrong there.
cant see the river at night? um yeah actually you can. Its not hard to pick out at all. Using the CKB and MGW VORs, landmarks on the ground and basic SA would tell you that it is not the right airport in this scenario. I'll stick with my FMS because it is just another tool to give me SA in flight. But from someone who has flown into CKB probably 200 times over the last five years in a lesser equiped saab, my point still stands. These two airports dont look the same. im not here to pass judgement on the crew. who knows what their level of experience was or what was going on in the cockpit. At least they got it stopped before they overran. Good job to them.
cant see the river at night? um yeah actually you can. Its not hard to pick out at all. Using the CKB and MGW VORs, landmarks on the ground and basic SA would tell you that it is not the right airport in this scenario. I'll stick with my FMS because it is just another tool to give me SA in flight. But from someone who has flown into CKB probably 200 times over the last five years in a lesser equiped saab, my point still stands. These two airports dont look the same. im not here to pass judgement on the crew. who knows what their level of experience was or what was going on in the cockpit. At least they got it stopped before they overran. Good job to them.
08-13-2012, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dingo222
The Ckb based silver captain was a former biz ex and eagle pilot for almost 20 years. Silver planes have an fms and those airports look Nothing alike. Wasn't a former Colgan, but wow.
08-13-2012, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Wrong Way Landings By Commercial Airliners
Not just 200hr pilots, this has happened to experienced crews as well.
Not just 200hr pilots, this has happened to experienced crews as well.
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08-13-2012, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
There is another posting elsewhere about setting the heading bug within a couple of degrees of the assigned and calling it OK or gripping about mil pilots be anal about those details--sweat the details and the big stuff will take care of itself.
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If there were those details to be sweated and the big stuff taken care of, maybe the C17 guys recently wouldn't have made a boo boo.
Crap can happen to ANYBODY, it's proven itself to NOT have bias against training, background, experience level, etc.
08-13-2012, 10:51 PM
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Can't speak for the C-17, but runway length, orientation, and desired landing spot were briefed in my squadron. If not touched down by the briefed position, it was a no-fault go. It can happen to anyone, but that doesn't make it blameless. I'll bet the -17 crew were downgraded, too.
We did have a crew make an accidental attempt to land at the wrong airport in Macon, the briefing procedure saved 'em. Co-pilot said "the ILS doesn't look right".
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We did have a crew make an accidental attempt to land at the wrong airport in Macon, the briefing procedure saved 'em. Co-pilot said "the ILS doesn't look right".
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08-14-2012, 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Maybe I'm expecting too much, but the McDill C17 got me wondering the same thing - how do you miss that?
08-14-2012, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
Out of these dozens of wrong airport landings, what is the tower saying to the inbound aircraft? "Cleared to land", (but I don't see you anywhere, I guess you're there?). I realize some of these were austere locations, or maybe outside of official Tower hours, but otherwise, shouldn't a Tower controller be wondering where the airplane is, that he just cleared to land? And maybe pimp the pilot as to his whereabouts?
Maybe I'm expecting too much, but the McDill C17 got me wondering the same thing - how do you miss that?
Maybe I'm expecting too much, but the McDill C17 got me wondering the same thing - how do you miss that?
08-19-2012, 03:50 PM
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As in this case these landings usually happen at uncontrolled fields and the field is mistaken for the destination airport. The crew calls it in sight and the en route controller says change to advisory radar services terminated or change to advisory and you close out upon landing.
08-19-2012, 07:45 PM
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Nice try, but I seriously doubt that was the explanation of the C-17--Tampa Approach by that point must have handed them over to tower-controlled MacDill AFB. Probably tower cleared them to land with the Buddha in sight, crew dived for Peter Knight. Rumor I heard 24+ hour crew duty day might be involved, but fatigue will b ruled out. I guarantee it.
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Nice try, but I seriously doubt that was the explanation of the C-17--Tampa Approach by that point must have handed them over to tower-controlled MacDill AFB. Probably tower cleared them to land with the Buddha in sight, crew dived for Peter Knight. Rumor I heard 24+ hour crew duty day might be involved, but fatigue will b ruled out. I guarantee it.
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